tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post1006479312416894461..comments2023-06-07T11:11:02.474+02:00Comments on Vasco-Caucasian: Proto-Basque and non-standard BasqueOctavià Alexandrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-35252997891671535442010-01-21T22:13:35.532+01:002010-01-21T22:13:35.532+01:00OK then.OK then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-14388952278566943662010-01-21T14:56:23.134+01:002010-01-21T14:56:23.134+01:00From a purely theoretical point of view, it's ...From a <i>purely theoretical</i> point of view, it's true that /aho/ should be reconstructed as */CaCo/ or something like that, but from a <i>practical</i> point of view, I chose this particular etymology because it's the most consistent available.<br /><br />As I told you before, i'm going to these roots in separate posts.Octavià Alexandrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-8564675561041857982010-01-21T12:02:13.422+01:002010-01-21T12:02:13.422+01:00Tavi, you don't seem to understand my point.
...Tavi, you don't seem to understand my point.<br /><br />1) What is the internal evidence that<br /><br />a. the first consonant was what you've claimed it to have been.<br /><br />b. the second consonant was what you've claimed it to have been.<br /><br />c. there was a nasal-stop cluster rather than a stop alone.<br /><br />2) If there is no internal evidence for the above, you should be fair enough to reconstruct...well, something like */(CC)a(CC)o/ (or */(C:)a(C:)o/ if you like). Sure, this will immensely decrease the value of such comparisons, but it will immensely increase their veracity.<br /><br />And, needless to say, it might rid you off the pinkish glasses you've been wearing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-49738310075870533662010-01-20T23:44:42.612+01:002010-01-20T23:44:42.612+01:00Hi, Petr. I'm affraid this and other entries a...Hi, Petr. I'm affraid this and other entries are outdated.<br /><br />1) Basque <b>aho</b> 'mouth' comes from papo, papu 'cheek', attested both in dialectal Basque as well as in Cantabrian Spanish and Asturian Romance. I take it as the Cantabrian output of the root corresponding to PNC <b>*bek'wo</b>. I'm going to deal with this root in a forthcoming post.<br /><br />2) The etymology I choose is sound, but I should have quoted IE <b>*ko(n)g-</b> 'peg, hook, claw', possibly from the above Paleo-Eurasian root. From this root, the Salazar dialect has an isolated form kaiku 'aquiline' in the compound sudur-kaiku 'aquiline nose'.<br /><br />Notice that 1) the cluster of nasal + velar stop was reduced and 2) <b>o</b> collapsed into <b>a</b>.Octavià Alexandrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-47671176068163784942009-12-15T15:08:41.115+01:002009-12-15T15:08:41.115+01:001. What is the evidence that /aho/ < */pakho/? ...1. What is the evidence that /aho/ < */pakho/? I mean apart from the highly tentative comparison with Celtic and PNC.<br /><br />It could be from **/[h]akho/, **/khakho/ (these would go well with PNC */ɦomɢɢwi/ I suppose), **/thakho/ etc. By the way, can you list all the sounds that could result in zero/[h]? Perhaps, it would be more honest to reconstruct **/(CC)a(CC)o/ instead.<br /><br />2. Why do you link Basque /k(h)ako/ to "Starostin's Eurasiatic *ɣoŋɣV ‘peg, nail’"? The phonetics and semantics is rather bad. Why not FU */kokka/ "hook", for example? There are plenty of much better matches Eurasia-wide. Have you looked at IE, by the way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com