tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post4118846005856545760..comments2023-06-07T11:11:02.474+02:00Comments on Vasco-Caucasian: Celtic *marko- 'horse' (updated)Octavià Alexandrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-49826908844471614492013-08-14T13:30:32.707+02:002013-08-14T13:30:32.707+02:00Warning: the above proposals are highly tentative....Warning: the above proposals are highly tentative. What I'm sure of is there're dozens and possibly hundreds of words relative to 'horse' and other equids, most of which are actually Wanderwörter.Octavià Alexandrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-64999493739340070802013-08-14T08:23:21.503+02:002013-08-14T08:23:21.503+02:00Regardless of the actual classification of Meroiti...Regardless of the actual classification of Meroitic, the thing is <b>mreke</b> is much close to the Celtic and Germanic words than to Nubian <b>murta</b> 'horse', which has Afrasian parallels:<br /><br /><a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&basename=/data/semham/afaset&text_number=2505&root=config" rel="nofollow"><b>*pard- ~ *parʒ/ǯ-</b></a> 'an equid' (Militarev)<br /><a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&basename=/data/semham/afaset&text_number=2506&root=config" rel="nofollow"><b>*ba/irdˁ-awn- ~ *barz/dˁ-</b></a> 'mule, horse' (Militarev)Octavià Alexandrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-41530243968049885242013-08-13T21:40:45.117+02:002013-08-13T21:40:45.117+02:00Horses may have been domesticated in Arabia well b...Horses may have been domesticated in Arabia well before the Botai culture, Octavia.<br /><br />I learned of this some time ago...thought I would share it with you.<br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.nature.com/houseofwisdom/2011/09/horses_domesticated_in_saudi_a.html" rel="nofollow">Excavations in a new archaeological site in the southwestern Asir province in Saudi Arabia may reveal that horse domestication in Saudi Arabia, started 9,000 years ago – challenging previous theories that the practice started in the Arabian Peninsula 5,550 years ago only.</a><br /><br />Just to let you know, the Meroitic word is tentative - no one knows what it actually means. I believe Meroitic is Afroasiatic, not Nilo-Saharan. If it is not Afroasiatic...it certainly has a massive amount of borrowing from Afroasiatic and not just from the daughter languages, but from the proto-language itself which is impossible as you know. That means the words had to be inherited.AdygheChabadihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02303595735003236434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-14639290487675534502013-08-13T12:54:06.164+02:002013-08-13T12:54:06.164+02:00I'm afraid this is an incredible mess of wild ...I'm afraid this is an incredible mess of wild and domestic animals, thus not a valid "etymon" properly speaking. As I said before, names of domesticated animals tend to become <i>Wanderwörter</i> spread among genetically unrelated languages, so I won't surprised if the Meroitic word you quoted is actually related to the Sinitic and Celtic 'horse' words.Octavià Alexandrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-37586204237075723862013-08-13T12:38:00.072+02:002013-08-13T12:38:00.072+02:00I think the Dravidian word is much more closely re...I think the Dravidian word is much more closely related to Afroasiatic.<br /><br />Proto-Afro-Asiatic: *mar-<br />Meaning: cow, calf<br /><br />Semitic: *mVrVʔ- 'bull'<br />Egyptian: mr.t 'cow' (Gr.)<br />Western Chadic: *marir- 'oryx antelope'<br />Central Chadic: *maray- '(sacrificial) bull' (?)<br />Low East Cushitic: *mār- 'calf'<br />High East Cushitic: *mV̄r- 'calf'<br />Warazi (Dullay): *mār- 'heifer'<br />Omotic: *marr- 'calf'<br />Notes: Cf. HSED 1728: Eg.; CCh.: Mafa; Cush.: Arb.<br /><br />There are a number of words in Afroasiatic that have a shared meaning of different kinds of bovids, ie, cows, antelopes, bulls, gazelles, oxen, goats, deer, etc...<br /><br />There is also Meroitic: mre-ke supposedly meaning "horse" > supposedly related to Nubian: murta "horse". In my opinion, the Meroitic word is likely related to the Afroasiatic etymon above and is talking about cows not horses.AdygheChabadihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02303595735003236434noreply@blogger.com