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text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.treewalls.com/images/serviceberry-5.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://www.treewalls.com/images/serviceberry-5.jpg" width="256" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;According to the Wikipedia article "&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_words_of_Gaulish_origin"&gt;List of French words of Gaulish origin&lt;/a&gt;", French &lt;b&gt;corme&lt;/b&gt; 'service berry'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; is a loanword from Gaulish &lt;b&gt;curmi&lt;/b&gt; 'beer'. However, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;this is surely a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; case of &lt;i&gt;homonymy&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;, because &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'berry' and 'beer' are semantically unrelated&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Interestingly enough, we've got cognates in dialectal (High Navarrese) Basque &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;gurbi&lt;/b&gt; (HN) 'service tree' and &lt;b&gt;gurbe &lt;/b&gt;'wild apple (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malus_sylvestris"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Malus sylvestris&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;)'. These words are strinkingly similar to &lt;b&gt;gurbitz &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'strawberry tree (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbutus_unedo"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Arbutus unedo&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;)', found in Western dialects and cognate to Italian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;corbezzolo&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;'strawberry tree', and for which I propose a Vasco-Caucasian etymology from NEC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1277&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;*kkurmæ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;ɕ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;V / *kkurm&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;æ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;ʒ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;V&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt; 'a k.of fruit&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;So it looks like this root either was originally a compound (fossilized in NEC) or it was semantically reanalized as such, leading to a shorter form. I also think that in a different VC substrate language the initial velar stop underwent an assibilation (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satemization"&gt;&lt;i&gt;satemization&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;), leading to Latin &lt;b&gt;sorbum &lt;/b&gt;'service berry'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;, &lt;b&gt;sorbus&lt;/b&gt; 'service tree'&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; and Romance &lt;b&gt;*serba&lt;/b&gt; 'service berry', found in Catalan &lt;b&gt;serva&lt;/b&gt;, Occitan &lt;b&gt;sèrba&lt;/b&gt; and Spanish &lt;b&gt;serba&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;____________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; The collective form is &lt;b&gt;cormier&lt;/b&gt; 'service tree (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbus_domestica"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Sorbus domestica&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;)'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; I&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;nterestingly enough, the same article quotes&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Friulian &lt;b&gt;cirmul&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;(with metathesis) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Italian &lt;b&gt;cembro&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'Swiss pine (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Pine"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Pinus cembra&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;)' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;as cognates of the French word. However, for them &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I propose &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;a different &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;etymology from PSC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/sinocauc/sccet&amp;amp;text_number=++55&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*xq’wémV&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'nut; kernel', a root reflected in Greek &lt;b&gt;kônos&lt;/b&gt; 'cone (fruit of a conifer)'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt; Probably also the source of Balto-Slavic &lt;b&gt;*kermus-/*k´ermus-&lt;/b&gt; '(bird-)cherry' and (with metathesis) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Greek&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;b&gt;kómaros&lt;/b&gt; 'strawberry tree', a word found in &lt;a href="http://dioscorides.usal.es/appFolios.php?seccion=2&amp;amp;fol=047v"&gt;Dioscorides&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4 &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Spanish &lt;b&gt;sorbo&lt;/b&gt;, French &lt;b&gt;sorbe&lt;/b&gt;'service berry', &lt;b&gt;sorbier&lt;/b&gt; (collective form) 'service tree'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5 &lt;/sup&gt;There is also &lt;b&gt;arbutus&lt;/b&gt; 'strawberry tree', with loss of the initial sibilant.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;6 &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;The collective form is&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; serbal &lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;'service tree'. There are also the forms &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;serbo, jerbo&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;, product of a contamination with &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;sorbo&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt; &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-2423971135950722542?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/2423971135950722542/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=2423971135950722542&amp;isPopup=true' title='31 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2423971135950722542'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2423971135950722542'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2012/01/french-corme-service-berry.html' title='French corme &apos;service berry&apos; (updated)'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>31</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-7190250681508478434</id><published>2012-02-16T16:34:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2012-02-17T11:50:35.665+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Romance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Uralic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque. Vasco-Caucasian'/><title type='text'>Pedirle peras al olmo</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://ximo.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/olmo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://ximo.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/olmo.jpg" width="224" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;The Spanish saying "&lt;i&gt;pedirle peras al olmo&lt;/i&gt;" (lit. 'to ask the elm for pears') means &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'to ask for something impossible', as &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm"&gt;elms&lt;/a&gt; don't give edible fruits. However, paradoxically it might enclose a deep wisdom regarding the origin of the word 'elm' found in several IE languages: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;ulmus&lt;/b&gt;,Celtic &lt;b&gt;*limo-&lt;/b&gt;, Germanic &lt;b&gt;*elma-/*alma-&lt;/b&gt;, Slavic &lt;b&gt;*j&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;ь&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;l&lt;/span&gt;ь&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;ъ&lt;/b&gt;, from which Indo-Europeanists reconstruct a PIE root &lt;b&gt;*h&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;elem-&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;As in the case of other plant names, the sparse distribution as well as some phonetic irregularities point to a loanword, I guess from NEC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;*d&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;ʒɦ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;u&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;ɫ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;VmV&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;, a metathesized form of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;*dʒɦumV-ɫ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;V&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;, a derivative &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;of &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1281&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;*d&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;ʒɦ&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;umV&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'bush, grass; a k. of fruit', with loss of the initial affricate (apparently regular in loanwords). IMHO this Vasco-Caucasian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;root would be the origen of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;Portuguese &lt;b&gt;silva&lt;/b&gt;'bramble (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubus_ulmifolius"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;Rubus ulmifolius&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;)'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;*silba&lt;/b&gt;, too often confused with &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;his homonymous Latin &lt;a href="http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/09/latin-silva.html"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;silva&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'wood, forest'.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The bare stem &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;is found in Uralic&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/uralic/uralet&amp;amp;text_number=+123&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;*δ´e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;̮&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;me (*δ´ōme)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;'birdcherry' and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Insular Celtic &lt;b&gt;*subi-&lt;/b&gt; 'strawberry'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;. The latter corresponds to Eastern Basque &lt;b&gt;zi&lt;/b&gt; (S, Z), &lt;b&gt;zĩ&lt;/b&gt;(R) 'oak acorn' &amp;lt; Paleo-Basque &lt;b&gt;*sini&lt;/b&gt;, with a semantic shift reflectingan adaptation to the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_climate"&gt;Mediterranean climate&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;___________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; There is also the collective form &lt;b&gt;silveira&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-7190250681508478434?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/7190250681508478434/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=7190250681508478434&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7190250681508478434'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7190250681508478434'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2012/02/pedirle-peras-al-olmo.html' title='Pedirle peras al olmo'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-7286115125401969879</id><published>2012-02-16T15:22:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2012-02-17T10:30:04.714+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nostratic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='phonosymbolism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wanderwort'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Afrasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kartvelian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>The real "Nostratic" language (updated)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ni3LpbjLZfo/TudzW0mvB8I/AAAAAAAAAEs/eUAu07N2Ka8/s1600/Near+East+Neolithic.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="266" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ni3LpbjLZfo/TudzW0mvB8I/AAAAAAAAAEs/eUAu07N2Ka8/s400/Near+East+Neolithic.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;IE&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*h&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;ek´w-o-&lt;/b&gt; 'horse'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;has been the object of endless debate&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;s among specialists&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; about its relevance for dating PIE (the proto-language of the IE family). Unfortunately for the defenders of the Kurgan or Mallory-Gimbutas' theory of the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;IE homeland&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;, what linguistic evidence tell us is this can't be a native PIE wor&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;d&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; but rather a&amp;nbsp; Wanderwort of ultimate Caucasian origin from &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;PNC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+211&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;*ɦɨ[n]tʃwi (&lt;sup&gt;~&lt;/sup&gt; -e)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt; 'horse', &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;reflecting &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication_of_the_horse"&gt;domestication&lt;/a&gt; of the animal in the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic-Caspian_steppe"&gt;Pontic-Caspian&lt;/a&gt; steppes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;around 4,000-3,500 BC.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;As in the case of other domesticated animals, the meaning 'horse' is relatively recent in terms of human &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory"&gt;prehistory&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt; resulting from the specialization of a root with a wider semantics ('ungulate animal of the steppes') which also covered &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;'boar' and 'deer', pointing &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;an Upper Palaeolithic scenario where these animals were abundant and hunted for meat&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;IMHO this root is reflected in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Kartvelian &lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/kart/kartet&amp;amp;text_number=+362&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*eʃw&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;'boar, pig&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt; and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Afrasian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/afaset&amp;amp;text_number=2471&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;*ʕi(n)ʒ-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt; 'sheep, goat',&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/afaset&amp;amp;text_number=+383&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;*xu(n)ʒ(-ir-)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt; 'pig' (Semitic, Chadic)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; I regard these forms &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;as &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;evidence of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;a Vasco-Caucasian Mesolithic language &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;spoken in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;the Taurus-Zagros mountains, the area where &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;sheep, goat, pig and cattle (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;the animals which made up the Near &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;East Neolithic package) were first domesticated around 9,000-8,000 BC.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;his is precisely where &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;the Nostraticist Allan Bomhard&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;thinks Proto-Nostratic was spoken (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;although IMHO the hypothesis of this being the ancestor &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;of language families such as Indo-European, Afrasian, Kartvelian, etc. is flawed), a language which John C. Kren&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;s &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;regarded as being part of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Dene-Caucasian phylum&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;9&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;blockquote class="tr_bq"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;I believe that Nostratic languages did not exist except as a part of Dene-Caucasian until the waning of the Würm glaciation, some 15,000 years ago.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;_________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Please notice the segment &lt;b&gt;k´w&lt;/b&gt; isn't a labiovelar.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Some Indo-Europeanists have suggested a connection with the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;adjective &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+823&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*ōk´-u-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'quick, fast'. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;See for example&lt;i&gt; &lt;a href="http://books.google.es/books?id=8VnAk14pODsC&amp;amp;pg=PA264&amp;amp;lpg=PA264&amp;amp;dq=ok%C3%BAs+ekwos&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=AI68cIdky_&amp;amp;sig=iFG70G55mZil9K7IUivkSmGpxnE&amp;amp;hl=es&amp;amp;ei=K2zGTtyNBseZOoSgtcYP&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=1&amp;amp;ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;amp;q&amp;amp;f=false"&gt;The Indo-Aryan controversy: evidence and inference in Indian history&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;, p. 264-265.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; See J.P. Mallory (1989): &lt;i&gt;In Search of the Indo-Europeans. Language, Archaeology and Myth&lt;/i&gt;, p. 143-185.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; In account of its strange phonetics, Greek &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;híppos&lt;/b&gt; 'horse' is most assuredly a loanword from another IE language.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; The wild horse of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;the Eurasian steppes (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Equus ferus ferus&lt;/i&gt;), also called &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarpan"&gt;tarpan&lt;/a&gt; (a Turkic word), belongs to a different subspecies than&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse"&gt;domesticated horse&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;i&gt;Equus ferus caballus&lt;/i&gt;). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;There is i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;n addition another hor&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;se subspecies &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;native to the Pontic-Caspian steppes, the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;so-called&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przewalski%27s_Horse"&gt;Przewalski's Horse&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;i&gt;Equus ferus Prezewalski's&lt;/i&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt; Directly attested only in Georgian. The Mengrelian form is &lt;b&gt;o-sk-u&lt;/b&gt; 'pigsty' &amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;*o-askwu&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt; The Afrasian forms underwent&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;further differentation, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;possibly &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;involving some kind of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;i&gt;phonosymbolic &lt;/i&gt;process.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt; &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;8 &lt;/sup&gt;Allan &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Bomhard (2008): &lt;i&gt;Reconstructing Proto-Nostratic. Comparative Phonology, Morphology, and Vocabulary&lt;/i&gt;, vol. I, p. 235-241.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;9&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Allan Bomhard &amp;amp; John C. Krens (1994): &lt;i&gt;The Nostratic Macrofamily: A Study in Distant Linguistic Relationship&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;, p. 153.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przewalski%27s_Horse"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-7286115125401969879?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/7286115125401969879/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=7286115125401969879&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7286115125401969879'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7286115125401969879'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/11/indo-european-horses.html' title='The real &quot;Nostratic&quot; language (updated)'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ni3LpbjLZfo/TudzW0mvB8I/AAAAAAAAAEs/eUAu07N2Ka8/s72-c/Near+East+Neolithic.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-3848500305371555107</id><published>2012-02-13T23:39:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2012-02-14T02:12:18.283+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque. Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sino-Tibetan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>Basque begi 'eye'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.clker.com/cliparts/q/K/E/M/8/C/green-eye-md.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://www.clker.com/cliparts/q/K/E/M/8/C/green-eye-md.png" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;Although Starostin didn't include Basque in his own research, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;IMHO the word&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;begi&lt;/b&gt; 'eye' comes from the Vasco-Caucasian root &lt;b&gt;*wemq’V́ (&lt;sup&gt;~&lt;/sup&gt; -xq’)&lt;/b&gt; 'eye; witness', reconstructed from NEC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=2134&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;*wimq’V&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt; 'witness; true' and Sino-Tibetan &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/sintib/stibet&amp;amp;text_number=+109&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*mjVk&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'eye'.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;Bengtson regards this as an Eastern word as opposed to NEC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt;*ʡwĭlʡi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;"&gt; 'eye', which he wrongly links to the Basque word.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-3848500305371555107?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/3848500305371555107/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=3848500305371555107&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/3848500305371555107'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/3848500305371555107'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2012/02/basque-begi-eye.html' title='Basque begi &apos;eye&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-7102543312513659599</id><published>2012-01-30T17:02:00.026+01:00</published><updated>2012-02-12T23:00:08.367+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Romance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='folk etymology'/><title type='text'>Medieval Latin *dēvetum</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://comunedipartenope.it/files/imagecache/fullsize/files/article_images/Divieto_pipi_1221763065.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://comunedipartenope.it/files/imagecache/fullsize/files/article_images/Divieto_pipi_1221763065.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Italian &lt;b&gt;divieto&lt;/b&gt; 'prohibition', Old Spanish &lt;b&gt;deviedo&lt;/b&gt; 'reserve (of land); prohibition, ecclesiastic censorship' and Basque &lt;b&gt;debetü&lt;/b&gt; (Z) 'illicit', &lt;b&gt;debeku&lt;/b&gt; (G, HN, Bazt, L, LN) 'prohib&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;ition'&lt;sup&gt;1 &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;derive from Medieval Latin &lt;b&gt;*dēvetum&lt;/b&gt; '&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;obstacle, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;prohibition'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;, the participle of the verb &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;dēve&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;tāre&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;'to forbid, to impede' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;(non attested in Classical Latin), usually regarded as a compound from &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;the prefix&lt;b&gt; *dē- &lt;/b&gt;'from, awa&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;y'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; and &lt;b&gt;vetāre&lt;/b&gt; 'to forbid'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;The Latin verb has cognates in Celtic: Middle Welsh &lt;b&gt;gwadu&lt;/b&gt; 'to deny', Old Breton &lt;b&gt;guad&lt;/b&gt; 'denial' &amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;*woto-&lt;/b&gt;. Matasović links this to a Celtic verb &lt;b&gt;*wet-&lt;/b&gt; 'to speak': Old Welsh &lt;b&gt;guetid&lt;/b&gt;, Middle Welsh &lt;b&gt;dyweddy&lt;/b&gt; 'speaks'. From these forms and Hittite &lt;b&gt;uttar&lt;/b&gt; 'word', Indo-Europeanists reconstruct an IE root &lt;b&gt;*wet(h&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;)-&lt;/b&gt; 'to say, to forbid&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;'&lt;/span&gt; similar to &lt;b&gt;*wed- &lt;/b&gt;'to raise's one voice', found in  &lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Germanic, Balto-Slavic, Tocharian, Greek  and Indic. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;However, to &lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;explain the meaning 'to impede' seen in Romance I'd prefer to&lt;/span&gt; posit a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_etymology"&gt;&lt;i&gt;folk etymology&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; from a similar sounding word to Latin &lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;vetāre&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;. A good possibility is the Celtic verb &lt;b&gt;*dī-wed-o- &lt;/b&gt;'to stop' (Middle Welsh &lt;b&gt;dywedd(u)&lt;/b&gt;), a compound from &lt;b&gt;*dī- &lt;/b&gt;'from, away' and &lt;b&gt;*wed-o-&lt;/b&gt; 'to lead, to bring together', from an IE root &lt;b&gt;*wedh-&lt;/b&gt; 'to lead, to go' also reflected (with phonetical irregularities) in Latin &lt;b&gt;vādere&lt;/b&gt; 'to go' and &lt;b&gt;vadum&lt;/b&gt; 'ford'.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;_________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; The corresponding verb form is &lt;b&gt;debetatü&lt;/b&gt; (Z), &lt;b&gt;debekatu&lt;/b&gt; (G, HN, Bazt, L, LN), &lt;b&gt;debekau&lt;/b&gt; (B), &lt;b&gt;bedekatu&lt;/b&gt; (B), &lt;b&gt;bedekau&lt;/b&gt; (B) 'to forbid'. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Rohlfs proposed a different etymology from&lt;b&gt; *impedic&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;āre &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;'to impede', which I consider semantically inadequate.&lt;sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;The meaning 'obstacle' is reflected in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;the Basque compound &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;gernu-debeku&lt;/b&gt; (Bazt, L) 'urine retention', whose first member is &lt;b&gt;gernu&lt;/b&gt; 'urine'.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Reflected in Spanish &lt;b&gt;vedar&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;'to forbid, to impede', whose participle&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;vedado&lt;/b&gt; 'reserve (of land)'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; has replaced &lt;b&gt;deviedo&lt;/b&gt; in the modern language.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;In Romance, this meaning is usually represented &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;by &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;dēf&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ēns&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;a- &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;e.g. Catalan &lt;b&gt;devesa&lt;/b&gt;, Spanish &lt;b&gt;dehesa&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;'meadow, pasture (usually fenced)')&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;, the feminine participle of&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;dēfendere &lt;/b&gt;'to move away; to reject'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;which in some languages (e.g. French &lt;b&gt;défendre&lt;/b&gt;) also developped the meaning 'to forbid'.&lt;sup&gt; &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-7102543312513659599?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/7102543312513659599/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=7102543312513659599&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7102543312513659599'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7102543312513659599'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2012/01/medieval-latin-devetum-forbidden.html' title='Medieval Latin *dēvetum'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-2882153072822752645</id><published>2011-11-23T15:30:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2012-01-22T15:19:50.672+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Eurasiatic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Uralic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Portuguese'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='substrate loanword'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greek'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>Latin silva 'forest, wood' (updated)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;In despite of the attempts of some Indo-Europeanists'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin&lt;b&gt; silva&lt;/b&gt; 'forest, wood' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;have no PIE etymology&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;.&amp;nbsp; However, a link to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Greek &lt;b&gt;húlē&lt;/b&gt; 'forest, wood; firewood, timber; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;scrub&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;' is very likely&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;, possibly by intermediation of Etruscan.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="Default" style="line-height: 15.0pt; mso-line-height-rule: exactly; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="color: windowtext; font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;The Greek word, without PIE etymology, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;is IMHO a substrate loanword from &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;the Eurasiatic root &lt;b&gt;*[z]ilwV&lt;/b&gt; 'wood' (Starostin), reflected in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Altaic&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=2073&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*sjulu (˜ *z-, -l´-)&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'conifer, pine tree'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;___________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; For example, a proposed link to IE &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*swel- ~ *sel-&lt;/b&gt; 'plank, board'&lt;/span&gt; or&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=1037&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*k´sul-o-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'log' &amp;gt; Greek &lt;b&gt;ksúlos&lt;/b&gt; 'wood'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; See Ernout-Meillet (1958): &lt;i&gt;Dictionnaire étymologique de la langue latine&lt;/i&gt;, p. 626.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-2882153072822752645?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/2882153072822752645/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=2882153072822752645&amp;isPopup=true' title='57 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2882153072822752645'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2882153072822752645'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/09/latin-silva.html' title='Latin silva &apos;forest, wood&apos; (updated)'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>57</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-6624225499948261441</id><published>2011-11-16T16:36:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-11-19T15:12:22.768+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Thracian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Baltic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wanderwort'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greek'/><title type='text'>Latin vitrum 'glass; woad'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cherrygal.com/images/Woad1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://www.cherrygal.com/images/Woad1.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;vitrum&lt;/b&gt; 'glass; woad &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isatis_tinctoria"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Isatis tinctoria&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; designates a plant whose leaves are used to produce blue dye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;. The association between both meanings is readily explained because in Antiquity glass was blueish or greenish rather than transparent.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;In despite of the attempts of some &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Indo-Europeanists&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;, the Latin word has no inherited PIE etymology, that is, it must be a loanword from some unidentified language.&amp;nbsp; But Germanic &lt;b&gt;*waizda-&lt;/b&gt; and Greek &lt;b&gt;isátis&lt;/b&gt; 'woad'&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;suggest we are dealing with a Wanderwort &lt;b&gt;*wei-t-s- &lt;/b&gt;related to Latin &lt;b&gt;vitrum&lt;/b&gt; &amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;*wei-t-r-&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;These forms have Baltic paralels &lt;span class="unicode"&gt;from the regional IE &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;(Greek, Baltic) root &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+++400&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*g&lt;sup&gt;w&lt;/sup&gt;hai-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'bright'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;: &lt;span class="unicode"&gt;Lithuanian &lt;b&gt;gaidrà, giedrà, g´iedra&lt;/b&gt; 'cloudless sky, serene, beautiful weather, drought', &lt;b&gt;giẽdra, gaidrù-&lt;/b&gt; 'bright, serene (of weather)'; &lt;b&gt;gãisàs&lt;/b&gt; 'glow, redness in the sky', &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="fld"&gt;Latvian&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;b&gt;gàiss&lt;/b&gt; 'air, atmosphere, cloud', &lt;b&gt;gàišs&lt;/b&gt; 'bright, bright, clear', &lt;b&gt;dzidrs&lt;/b&gt; 'clear, bright', &lt;b&gt;dzīdrs&lt;/b&gt; 'azure blue, bright, clear '; &lt;b&gt;dzìedrs&lt;/b&gt; &lt;sup&gt;'&lt;/sup&gt;azure'.&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;I think &lt;b&gt;*gWhai-&lt;/b&gt; is a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;loanword from PNEC &lt;b&gt;*?VqqWo-ji-&lt;/b&gt; 'white, light, blueish' &amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+117&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*=eqqwA&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'yellow', an etymology which would also explain IE&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/pokorny&amp;amp;text_number=1065&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*k´wei-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'shining, white'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; I must assume the initial labiovelar cluster was reduced to *w in the source language, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;which I guess it was Thracian&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;, yielding the forms&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;*wai-t-s-, *wi-t-r-&lt;/b&gt; corresponding to Baltic &lt;b&gt;*gai-d-s-, *gi-d-r-.&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;______________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; For example, De Vaan (&lt;i&gt;Etymological Dictionary of Latin and the Other Italic Languages&lt;/i&gt;), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;following Szemerényi, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; proposes an adjective &lt;b&gt;*wed-ro-&lt;/b&gt; 'water-like' derivated from &lt;b&gt;*wed-&lt;/b&gt; 'water', although this root (in full grade) isn't attested in Latin.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;In fact, &lt;span class="unicode"&gt;glass-manufactured objects such as rythons (drinking horns) were found in Thracian tombs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-6624225499948261441?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/6624225499948261441/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=6624225499948261441&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/6624225499948261441'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/6624225499948261441'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/11/latin-vitrum-glass-woad.html' title='Latin vitrum &apos;glass; woad&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-1507461020122565230</id><published>2011-11-16T11:55:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-11-23T13:20:42.469+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='acculturation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>Latin lolium 'ryegrass'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://fichas.infojardin.com/foto-cesped/lolium-multiflorum-hojas.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="264" src="http://fichas.infojardin.com/foto-cesped/lolium-multiflorum-hojas.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span id="goog_1273106167"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span id="goog_1273106168"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;lolium&lt;/b&gt; '&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryegrass"&gt;ryegrass&lt;/a&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; designates several species of grasses and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weed"&gt;weeds&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;, among which &lt;i&gt;Lolium tremulentum&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;b&gt;darnel&lt;/b&gt; is poisonous&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;. Although standard dictionaries (e.g. Ernout-Meillet's, De Vaan's) consider this word to be of unknown &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;etymology&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;, I think it's actually a reflex of&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; IE &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+176&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*derH&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;u-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'a k. of wild cereal', although from a different lexicon layer than the one usually regarded to be inherited. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;This root designates the same plant in Celtic: Celtic &lt;b&gt;*dra(:)wā&lt;/b&gt; 'ryegrass' i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;s found in dialectal French&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; droue, druive&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; 'ryegrass' as well as other similar forms even in Gallo-Italic (e.g. Lombard &lt;b&gt;droga&lt;/b&gt;). Brythonic languages reflect the form &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;*drāwā-kā:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; 'darnel' (Welsh &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;drewg&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;, Breton &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;draok, dreok&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;). Latin &lt;b&gt;dravoca&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; 'darnel' is surely a Gaulish loanword continuated &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;in Gallo-Romance &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;*dravocāta&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &amp;gt; French &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;dragée&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; 'forage' (not to be confused with its homonymous 'bonbon' or 'tablet').&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;The Germanic cognate &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/germet&amp;amp;text_number=+++134&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*tarwō&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;is represented by &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Middle Dutch &lt;b&gt;tarwe, terwe&lt;/b&gt; 'wheat' and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;English &lt;b&gt;tare&lt;/b&gt; 'weed; vetch'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;. This semantic shift, comparable to the one seen in other IE branches (i.e. Greek &lt;b&gt;dáratos&lt;/b&gt;, Macedonian &lt;b&gt;drámis&lt;/b&gt; 'bread', Baltic &lt;b&gt;*dirw&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ā&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; 'field', Slavic &lt;b&gt;*derevna&lt;/b&gt; 'arable field, village'), means that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;IE speakers &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;in those areas &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;encountered an established farming economy and so adapted their word to the new cultural context, a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;process &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;called &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acculturation"&gt;&lt;i&gt;acculturation&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;The IE word has cognates in Altaic: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Turkic *&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;da&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;̣&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;r&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;ɨ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;-g&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: small;"&gt; ‘millet’, Mongolian &lt;b&gt;*darki&lt;/b&gt; ‘brushwood’, Tungus-Manchu &lt;b&gt;*daragan&lt;/b&gt; ‘quitch; reed, cane’, Korean &lt;b&gt;*t&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ā&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;r&lt;/b&gt; ‘reed’, pointing to the initial consonant being a glottalized &lt;b&gt;*t&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;. On the basis of these data, I consider it to be part of the native core of PIE dating back to the Mesolithic&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;___________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; There's also a Vulgar Latin form &lt;b&gt;*jolium&lt;/b&gt; attested in Romance.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; The French word is &lt;b&gt;ivraie&lt;/b&gt;, from Latin &lt;b&gt;ēbriaca&lt;/b&gt; (f.) 'intoxicated'. There's also the dialectal Basque (Roncalese) form &lt;b&gt;libraka&lt;/b&gt;, with a proclitic definite article.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Also used in the Bible to name a type of ryegrass, probably darnel.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;This is the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;chronology we should expect from the existence of a common lexicon relative to Boreal fauna and flora combined with the lack of words relative to agriculture or metallurgy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;. IMHO, standard datings ranging from Late Neolithic to the early Bronze Age, mostly based on cultural innovations like horse riding and wheeled vehicles, are flawed. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-1507461020122565230?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/1507461020122565230/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=1507461020122565230&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/1507461020122565230'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/1507461020122565230'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/11/latin-lolium-ryegrass.html' title='Latin lolium &apos;ryegrass&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-7174090378101595225</id><published>2011-10-26T13:09:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-26T13:30:58.651+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='satemization'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Etruscan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yeniseian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sino-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sino-Tibetan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tyrrhenian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Austro-Asiatic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Burushaski'/><title type='text'>Tin and gold</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.sharkdesigns.co.uk/pictures/packing_and_storage/500_snuff_box_brass_open.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="238" src="http://www.sharkdesigns.co.uk/pictures/packing_and_storage/500_snuff_box_brass_open.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Etruscan &lt;b&gt;zam(a)thi&lt;/b&gt; 'gold' is an interesting word probably linked to Greek &lt;b&gt;ksanthós, ksouthós &lt;/b&gt;'yellow', &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;without PIE etymology&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;However, the Greek forms point to a palatalized velar like the ones found in IE &lt;i&gt;satem &lt;/i&gt;languages. Thus I'd reconstruct a Tyrrhenian root &lt;b&gt;*g´am-&lt;/b&gt; 'gold' cognate to Sino-Tibetan &lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/sintib/stibet&amp;amp;text_number=2022&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*gǝm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt; andBurushaski &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/sinocauc/buruet&amp;amp;text_number=+386&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*ɣén-&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;. To these, Starostin also adjoints &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;Yeniseian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/yenisey/yenet&amp;amp;text_number=+178&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*ʔVmV (˜ x-)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'tin, pewter'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;IMHO this would be a Dene-Caucasian root cognate &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;to Austro-Asiatic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/aas/aaet&amp;amp;text_number=2407&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;*jV&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;ŋ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; 'gold' and which spread as a Wanderwort into Dravidian &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/drav/dravet&amp;amp;text_number=+181&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*tsin-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'gold' and Germanic &lt;b&gt;*tinan&lt;/b&gt; 'tin'. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;_________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; See for example Pierre Chantraine (1977): &lt;a href="http://es.scribd.com/doc/50393876/Dictionnaire-Etymologique-de-la-Langue-Grecque-by-Pierre-Chantraine"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Dictionnaire étymologique de la langue grècque&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, p. 763.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-7174090378101595225?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/7174090378101595225/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=7174090378101595225&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7174090378101595225'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7174090378101595225'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/10/tin-and-gold.html' title='Tin and gold'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-273803279740610312</id><published>2011-10-25T15:12:00.009+02:00</published><updated>2011-11-01T18:41:27.822+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Baltic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Etruscan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greek'/><title type='text'>Etruscan *netś-, *nethś- 'entrails'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OoEIJJCUxzA/TqarBEe6rsI/AAAAAAAAAEg/3xkU5DuUHZs/s1600/Piacenza+Liver.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="230" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OoEIJJCUxzA/TqarBEe6rsI/AAAAAAAAAEg/3xkU5DuUHZs/s400/Piacenza+Liver.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;From two bilingual inscriptions we know Etruscan &lt;b&gt;netśvis&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;b&gt;netśrac&lt;/b&gt; are respectively equivalent to Latin &lt;b&gt;haruspex&lt;/b&gt; 'adivinator'&lt;sup&gt;1 &lt;/sup&gt;and&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;haruspīcina&lt;/b&gt; 'adivination'. This leaves us with an Etruscan word &lt;b&gt;*netś-, *nethś-&lt;/b&gt; 'entrails', surely a loanword from Greek&lt;b&gt; nēdús&lt;/b&gt; 'stomach, belly, womb'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;The etymology of the Greek word is itself problematic. I think this could be a Thracian loanword parallel to Lithuanian &lt;b&gt;vidùs&lt;/b&gt; 'middle, interior' &amp;lt; IE&lt;b&gt; *(d)ui-dhH&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;-u-&lt;/b&gt;, a compound from &lt;b&gt;*(d)ui-&lt;/b&gt; '2' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;and&lt;b&gt; *dhe&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;H&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;- &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'to make, to put' whose Celtic and Germanic reflexes mean 'wood, forest, tree'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;. This is also the origin of Latin &lt;b&gt;d&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;īvidō &lt;/b&gt;'to divide' &amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;*dis-wi&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;dhH&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Etruscan &lt;b&gt;visc-&lt;/b&gt; 'center', attested &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;in &lt;b&gt;visc ame ren-s&lt;/b&gt; '(this) is the center of the hand', could be explained from an derivated form &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*(d)ui-dhH&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;-sk-&lt;/b&gt;. This word was in turn borrowed into &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Latin &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;vī&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;scus, &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;vīsceris &lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;'entrails.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;____________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Itself a compound from IE &lt;b&gt;*g´hor-&lt;/b&gt; 'guts' and &lt;b&gt;*(s)pek´-&lt;/b&gt; 'to look'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; This would imply forests were considered as a &lt;i&gt;hinterland&lt;/i&gt;, an intermediate region between inhabited settlements. Interestingly, the Baltic reflexes of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;IE &lt;b&gt;*medh-jo-&lt;/b&gt; 'middle' mean &lt;/span&gt;'wood, forest, tree'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-273803279740610312?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/273803279740610312/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=273803279740610312&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/273803279740610312'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/273803279740610312'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/10/etruscan-nets-neths-entrails.html' title='Etruscan *netś-, *nethś- &apos;entrails&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OoEIJJCUxzA/TqarBEe6rsI/AAAAAAAAAEg/3xkU5DuUHZs/s72-c/Piacenza+Liver.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-407226750862860321</id><published>2011-10-17T15:00:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-17T15:26:32.556+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tartessian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gaulish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rhotacism'/><title type='text'>Is really Tartessian a Celtic language? (updated version)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nlRZhES8z-I/SvLh-iskg8I/AAAAAAAAABQ/B8sxPVJEjR8/s1600/Koch+-+Tartessian+%25282%2529.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nlRZhES8z-I/SvLh-iskg8I/AAAAAAAAABQ/B8sxPVJEjR8/s320/Koch+-+Tartessian+%25282%2529.jpg" width="222" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vOhd7hCR4fE/TpwssZd6whI/AAAAAAAAAEY/SJMm_lmD-2U/s1600/Tartessian+2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vOhd7hCR4fE/TpwssZd6whI/AAAAAAAAAEY/SJMm_lmD-2U/s1600/Tartessian+2.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5YJTzARZYko/TjWAgmlR4EI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/z0yY9QJO1qQ/s1600/Tartessian+2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: inherit; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;When  Koch's first book appeared in 2009, I was enthusiastic with his  interpretation of Tartessian as a Celtic language. But after reading it  several times my former sensations have cooled dramatically.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;One of the problems is that the SW script hasn't been fully deciphered and the exact value of some signs is still unknown or problematic. For example, the sign to which Koch assigns the value &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;H&lt;sup&gt;a&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; should be actually &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;b&lt;sup&gt;a&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt; &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;if we accept the equivalence between Tartessian &lt;b&gt;b&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;a&lt;/sup&gt;ait&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;u&lt;/sup&gt;ura&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;and Iberian &lt;b&gt;baitu&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ŕa&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;From this correspondence, we can see also Tartessian /&lt;b&gt;r&lt;/b&gt;/ corresponds to Iberian /&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ŕ&lt;/b&gt;/, so &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;it probably represents a trill. But as suggested &lt;a href="http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/irea/so/03-consonantes/vibrantes.html"&gt;elsewhere&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Tartessian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ŕ&lt;/b&gt;/ must represent a different rhotic, possibly arising from &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotacism"&gt;&lt;i&gt;rhotacism&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;b&gt;*z &lt;/b&gt;as in Latin and NW Germanic. Thus the Tartessian verb &lt;b&gt;na&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ŕ&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;k&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;e&lt;/sup&gt;e- &lt;/b&gt;found in funerary inscriptions would correspond to PIE &lt;a href="http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/ielex/U/P1320.html"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*mezg-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'to bind, to knot' (e.g. English &lt;b&gt;mesh&lt;/b&gt;), unattested in Celtic.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;This would indicate Tartessian is a non-Celtic IE language but with Celtic loanwords like &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;the formulaic expression &lt;b&gt;l&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ok&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;o&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;b&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;o&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;o niira&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;b&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;o&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;o &lt;/b&gt;/&lt;b&gt;lugu-bo nera-bo&lt;/b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;/ 'to the Lords Lug', with a dative plural ending &lt;b&gt;-bo&lt;/b&gt; as in Western Hispano-Celtic&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; but unlike Celtiberian, which has &lt;b&gt;-bos&lt;/b&gt; instead.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;On the other hand, the toponym element &lt;b&gt;ipo(n) &lt;/b&gt;is very frequent in SW Iberia &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;(e.g. &lt;b&gt;Olis-ip(p)o&lt;/b&gt;, modern &lt;i&gt;Lisboa&lt;/i&gt;) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;and has been identified by some authors with &lt;b&gt;Hippo&lt;/b&gt; (e.g. &lt;b&gt;Hippo Regia&lt;/b&gt;), a latinized version of Phoenician &lt;b&gt;ubbo&lt;/b&gt; 'habour'. However, IMHO &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;this is highly unlikely&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;. I would link it instead to the Gaulish toponym element&lt;b&gt; -bona&lt;/b&gt;, itself of Vasco-Caucasian origin (PNC &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1344&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*GGwin&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʡ&lt;/span&gt;V (~ -ħ-,-&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʕ&lt;/span&gt;-)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'village; house'), with a prefix &lt;b&gt;*i-&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;_____________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; Vowels are redundantly noted in the SW script, first as part of the stop sign and then by the vowel sign.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; Which would be &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;actually&lt;b&gt; baidu&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ŕa &lt;/b&gt;if my reading &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;/tuŕa baiduŕa&lt;/b&gt;/ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;of the segment &lt;b&gt;tuŕ&lt;u&gt;l&lt;/u&gt;bai&lt;u&gt;l&lt;/u&gt;uŕa &lt;/b&gt;(with two unsure lambda signs) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;in La Serreta I lead foil (written in the Ionian alphabet) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;is correct.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3 &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Proto-Celtic &lt;b&gt;*nero-&lt;/b&gt; 'chief, hero'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; Also called &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallaecian_language"&gt;Gallaecian&lt;/a&gt; or Lusitano-Gallaecian, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="st" style="font-size: small;"&gt;is attested  in theonyms of Latin inscriptions as well as in loanwords.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; See Villar (2000): &lt;i&gt;Indoeuropeos y no indoeuropeos en la Hispania prerromana&lt;/i&gt;, pp. 86-118.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt; &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-407226750862860321?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/407226750862860321/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=407226750862860321&amp;isPopup=true' title='38 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/407226750862860321'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/407226750862860321'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/07/is-really-tartessian-celtic-language.html' title='Is really Tartessian a Celtic language? (updated version)'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nlRZhES8z-I/SvLh-iskg8I/AAAAAAAAABQ/B8sxPVJEjR8/s72-c/Koch+-+Tartessian+%25282%2529.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>38</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-7271085047058305892</id><published>2011-10-15T14:30:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-12-09T17:26:53.162+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='substrate language'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Afrasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Atlantidic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='glottalic theory'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Chadic'/><title type='text'>The Atlantidic substrate (updated version)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;The German linguist &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_Vennemann"&gt;Theo Vennemann&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1 &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;is the proponent of a Western Europe substrate languages he calls &lt;i&gt;Atlantidic&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;, an Afrasian language &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;akin to Semitic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;and which left loanwords in Germanic, for example&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;*krabb-&lt;/b&gt; 'crab' (also Greek &lt;b&gt;kárabos&lt;/b&gt;), which he relates to Semitic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/semet&amp;amp;text_number=2340&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;*ʕa-k’rab-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; 'scorpion'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;However, this word is rather isolated within Afrasian, with no likely cognates except perhaps &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;(and these by no means sure) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;in Chadic. But as &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;both crabs and scorpions have large claws, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;IMHO this is cognate to PIE &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=1731&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*ghreb(h)-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'to take, to seize' and possibly also to Kartvelian&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/kart/kartet&amp;amp;text_number=+586&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*k’rab-/*k’rap- (-e-)&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'to gather'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;Other loanwords I've investigated myself are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Celtic  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;*gabro-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;, Latin &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;caper &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'he-goat', Germanic &lt;b&gt;*xafra-&lt;/b&gt; 'buck'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; (with no plausible PIE etymology), which can be linked to Arabic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;ɣafr-, ɣufr-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt; 'young of deer/goat', and also Latin &lt;b&gt;aper&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Germanic &lt;b&gt;*ibura-, &lt;/b&gt;Balto-Slavic &lt;b&gt;*weper-&lt;/b&gt; 'boar'&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;, which would correspond to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Arabic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʕ&lt;/span&gt;ifr-, &lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt; ʕ&lt;/span&gt;ufr-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;  'pig, boar; piglet'&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;These evidence &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;would suggest that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Atlantidic was spoken in Neolithic Europe &lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;whose linkings with Chadic would date back to the time the Sahara had a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon"&gt;monsoonic&lt;/a&gt; climate (roughly between 6,000-3,000 BC).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;____________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; An Indo-Europeanist formerly defensor of the &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottalic_theory"&gt;glottalic theory&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;.&lt;sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Wrongly linked by Nostraticists to words meaning 'fruit, harvest'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; Greek &lt;b&gt;kápros&lt;/b&gt; 'boar' could have arisen from contamination with the other word. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; The initial labial arises from assimilation to the following &lt;b&gt;*u&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; Possibly a specialization from the preceding root.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-7271085047058305892?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/7271085047058305892/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=7271085047058305892&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7271085047058305892'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7271085047058305892'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/01/leather.html' title='The Atlantidic substrate (updated version)'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-4437809629980771507</id><published>2011-10-13T11:52:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-15T09:20:28.133+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paleo-Eurasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Martinet-Law'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>Basque legar 'gravel, pebblestone'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;According to Bengtson, Basque &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;legar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; 'gravel, pebblestone' (with the old collective&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; suffix &lt;b&gt;-arr&lt;/b&gt;) has a Vasco-Caucasian etymology from NEC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1366&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;*t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; text-decoration: none;"&gt;ɬ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;’anχχwV&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'ruins; cobble-stone(s)'. Although their semantic and phonetic resemblance might be evident, IMHO this is a &lt;i&gt;distant&lt;/i&gt; relationship, as the Basque word can be readily derived from PIE &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=2359&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*legh-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; 'to lie'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;he meaning 'pebble' can be explained if the word originally referring to glaciar debris (i.e. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moraine"&gt;moraines)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;, thus suggesting&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; an Ice Age environment and a much deeper chronology for &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;the PIE root than the one commonly devised by Indo-Europeanists. From this and other data (see below) I consider this to be a &lt;i&gt;Paleo-Eurasian &lt;/i&gt;root, whose Vasco-Caucasian reflexes can be found in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;the Paleo-European substrate loanword &lt;b&gt;*kan(t)-/*gan(d)-&lt;/b&gt; 'pebble'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; and native Basque &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;abar&lt;/b&gt; (B, G) 'residue, sediment&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;As sound correspondences are often tricky, I should explain &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;in these words&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;the initial &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;lateral affricate &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;was reflected as a velar stop, lost in Basque due to Martinet's Law&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;. However, in Altaic this consonant was delateralized, as reflected in Mongolian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/monget&amp;amp;text_number=1300&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;*si&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɣ&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ar&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; 'dreg, sediment', Tungus-Manchu &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/tunget&amp;amp;text_number=2395&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;*d&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʒ&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;axar(a)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; 'gravel, pebbles&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; and Korean &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/goog_343866070"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;*t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʃ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;àka-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; 'gravel, pebbles; mother of pearl'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;_______________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; In fact, there also exists Basque &lt;b&gt;liga&lt;/b&gt; 'dregs', presumably a Gaulish loanword.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; Found in Spanish &lt;b&gt;canto&lt;/b&gt; 'pebble' and the toponymic term &lt;b&gt;gándara&lt;/b&gt; 'stony ground'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Not to be confused with its homonymous meaning 'branches'. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-4437809629980771507?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/4437809629980771507/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=4437809629980771507&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4437809629980771507'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4437809629980771507'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/10/basque-legar-gravel-pebblestone.html' title='Basque legar &apos;gravel, pebblestone&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-2935923397246866494</id><published>2011-10-10T16:52:00.011+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-27T18:37:48.089+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Italian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Etruscan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Italic'/><title type='text'>Etruscan viscri 'penis'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://culturamugellana.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oggetto-cazzetto.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="195" src="http://culturamugellana.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oggetto-cazzetto.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Etruscan &lt;b&gt;viscri &lt;/b&gt;'penis' is attested in the votive inscription &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;(TLE 685): &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;eti viscri ture Arnθ&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;b&gt;Alitle Pumpu&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;ś&lt;/b&gt; '&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;... &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;gives this penis', engraved on a figure of a man offering his male organ.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;The Etruscan word is continued on Italian (Tuscan) &lt;b&gt;bischero &lt;/b&gt;'peg (on a string instrument); fool, idiot', which would suggest a link to &lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;Italic &lt;b&gt;*wizg-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;ā&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;virga&lt;/b&gt; 'twig, rod'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;, from a root &lt;b&gt;*wis-g-&lt;/b&gt; also attested in &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/germet&amp;amp;text_number=+++942&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;Germanic&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Although many specialists have linked the Etruscan word to Latin &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;vī&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;scus, &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;vīsceris &lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;'entrails', itself a word of problematic etymology&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;, IMHO this actually corresponds to Etruscan &lt;b&gt;visc&lt;/b&gt; 'center' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;(see &lt;a href="http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/10/etruscan-nets-neths-entrails.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;_____________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; For that matter, Spanish &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;verga&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; is also used for 'penis'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-2935923397246866494?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/2935923397246866494/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=2935923397246866494&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2935923397246866494'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2935923397246866494'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/10/etruscan-viscri-penis.html' title='Etruscan viscri &apos;penis&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-1868771860305738960</id><published>2011-10-07T10:52:00.006+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-20T12:24:12.416+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Romance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Etruscan'/><title type='text'>Celtic *talu- 'front, forehead'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Celtic &lt;b&gt;*talu-&lt;/b&gt; 'front, forehead' is the origin (through Gaulish) of Late Latin &lt;b&gt;*talūtium&lt;/b&gt; 'slope', which gave French&lt;b&gt; talus&lt;/b&gt;, Spanish &lt;b&gt;talud&lt;/b&gt;. There's also Provençal &lt;b&gt;talvera &lt;/b&gt;'edge of a field'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;This word has no PIE etymology, in despite some attempts to link it to &lt;b&gt;*telH-&lt;/b&gt; 'earth, ground'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &amp;gt; Celtic &lt;b&gt;*talamon-&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; But IMHO it has a Vasco-Caucasian etymology from &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;NEC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1664&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*tt’ɬ’welu (~ ddɮ-, -r-)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt; 'rock, cliff', Burushaski &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/sinocauc/buruet&amp;amp;text_number=+524&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*tali&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt; 'slope (of a mountain)'.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 15pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="IT"&gt;In a metathesized form, this root could also explain Latin&lt;b&gt; latus&lt;/b&gt; 'side, flank' (probably borrowed from Etruscan), a word which has puzzled many Indo-Europeanists, as its only IE cognate is Old Irish &lt;b&gt;leth&lt;/b&gt; 'side'. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-1868771860305738960?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/1868771860305738960/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=1868771860305738960&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/1868771860305738960'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/1868771860305738960'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/10/celtic-talu-front-forehead.html' title='Celtic *talu- &apos;front, forehead&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-5099906848735499897</id><published>2011-10-06T19:30:00.033+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-13T09:39:41.240+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kartvelian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mesolithic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>Germanic *sajwi- 'sea, lake'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Germanic &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/germet&amp;amp;text_number=+++658&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*sajwi-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'sea, lake' is a word with no PIE etymology&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;, although a relationship with Kartvelian &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/kart/kartet&amp;amp;text_number=1220&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*zo&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɣ&lt;/span&gt;w-&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;  'sea' seems likely. IMHO they could be related to NEC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1779&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*ts’s’æ:k’wV&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;'sour, raw', reflecting the fact the sea is a mass of salty water.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DhRWbz9BaC4/TpF5BDQkmlI/AAAAAAAAAEU/32d5nvQwRns/s1600/Doggerland.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DhRWbz9BaC4/TpF5BDQkmlI/AAAAAAAAAEU/32d5nvQwRns/s320/Doggerland.jpg" width="304" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;By contrast, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Starostin links these 'sea' words to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Altaic &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=2045&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*sjògu&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'shallow (place)'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;. &lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;This is probably also the origin of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Germanic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/germet&amp;amp;text_number=++1603&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*sinkw-an-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'to sink', a word with no PIE etymology&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; and which suggests a Mesolithic environment like &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland"&gt;Doggerland&lt;/a&gt;, a former landmass in the North Sea which in the last Ice Age bridged Great Britain to the continent.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;Although Doggerland gradually &lt;i&gt;sunk&lt;/i&gt; by rapid post-glacial raising sea levels, actually becoming an island of much more reduced extension, according to recent research its actual disappearence seems to have been caused by a catastrophic event &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;around 6200 BC&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;, the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storegga_Slide"&gt;Storegga Slide&lt;/a&gt;, a submarine landslide in the Norwegian Sea which triggered a huge tsunami.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;Some authors have suggested &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;the echos of this prehistoric catastrophe are the origin to the legend of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Atlantis&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, but according to Plato's description IMHO this would mean the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillars_of_Hercules"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Pillars of Hercules&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; were located at the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Dover"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Strait of Dover&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; rather than at the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_gibraltar"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Strait of Gibraltar&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;___________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Nikolayev links it to Baltic&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;*sī̂w-a-, *sīw-iā̃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; 'juice'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;But &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;IMHOMongolian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/monget&amp;amp;text_number=1300&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;*si&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɣ&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ar&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt; 'dreg, sediment' doesn't belong here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Worse yet, &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=-XmqRrrJvkQC&amp;amp;pg=PA55&amp;amp;lpg=PA55&amp;amp;dq=greenberg+dry+seik&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=n3dFM5KjPX&amp;amp;sig=lNrGMXdSZxzhG-hPUdiVLmBf26Y&amp;amp;hl=es&amp;amp;ei=YiyOTr7XIsbYsgbmgaHuDw&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=1&amp;amp;ved=0CBoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;amp;q&amp;amp;f=false"&gt;Greenberg&lt;/a&gt; links the Altaic word to IE &lt;b&gt;*seik-&lt;/b&gt; 'dry' (Latin &lt;b&gt;siccus&lt;/b&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; In case of doubt, the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_empire"&gt;British Empire&lt;/a&gt; holds one of the pillars at both places.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-5099906848735499897?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/5099906848735499897/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=5099906848735499897&amp;isPopup=true' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/5099906848735499897'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/5099906848735499897'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/10/germanic-sajw-sea-lake.html' title='Germanic *sajwi- &apos;sea, lake&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DhRWbz9BaC4/TpF5BDQkmlI/AAAAAAAAAEU/32d5nvQwRns/s72-c/Doggerland.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-4592193775344214206</id><published>2011-09-22T23:30:00.020+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-05T12:01:58.569+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Afrasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greek'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>PIE *dom- 'household'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;PIE &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*dom- &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;'household'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; (e.g. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;domus&lt;/b&gt;) is a noun-root whose genitive form &lt;b&gt;*dem-s-&lt;/b&gt; is attested in the compound &lt;b&gt;*dem-s-pot-&lt;/b&gt; 'master of the house' (e.g. Greek &lt;b&gt;despótēs&lt;/b&gt;). Many Indo-Europeanists (e.g. Mallory-Adams) consider it to be derivated from&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*dem(h&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;)-&lt;/b&gt; 'to build', a&amp;nbsp;root&amp;nbsp;only attested in&amp;nbsp;Greek &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;(e.g. &lt;b&gt;démō&lt;/b&gt; 'to build',&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;dómos, dõ:ma&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; 'house') &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;and Germanic (e.g. English &lt;b&gt;timber&lt;/b&gt;).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;A part of the problem is that, unlike French, English doesn't make a clear distinction between the concepts of 'house' as a building (French &lt;b&gt;maison&lt;/b&gt;) and 'household' as a dwelling place (French &lt;b&gt;demeure&lt;/b&gt;). This explains why the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; French linguists &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Benveniste"&gt;Émile Beneviste&lt;/a&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Chantraine"&gt;Pierre Chantraine&lt;/a&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; think &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;that PIE &lt;b&gt;*dom-&lt;/b&gt; refers to the latter rather than the former.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;IMHO, this suggests the original meaning was 'to remain, to live', thus linking it with Proto-Afrasian &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/afaset&amp;amp;text_number=2067&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*dam-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'to live, to last, to sit', which AFAIK has no Eurasiatic correspondences.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;In terms of linguistic archaeology, this points to the Neolithic, when (pre-)IE-speaking hunterer-gatherers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; learned farming techniques and thus became sedentary. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;By contrast, Afrasian speakers (mostly nomadic pastoralists) had a  different lifestyle and didn't develop the household institution.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;__________________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;i&gt;Le vocabulaire des institutions indo-européenes&lt;/i&gt;, vol. I, pp. 293-307.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.archive.org/details/Dictionnaire-Etymologique-Grec"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Dictionnaire étymologique de la langue grecque&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, pp. 292-293. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-4592193775344214206?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/4592193775344214206/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=4592193775344214206&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4592193775344214206'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4592193775344214206'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/09/pie-dom-house.html' title='PIE *dom- &apos;household&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-7404769164188887367</id><published>2011-09-19T12:52:00.006+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-23T19:09:03.722+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Romance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>Latin fulcrum 'prop, support'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5S7JkoaVLZQ/S0XG7u1YJPI/AAAAAAAAACA/wZ-vVhF0MrQ/s1600/Tripolye_hut.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5S7JkoaVLZQ/S0XG7u1YJPI/AAAAAAAAACA/wZ-vVhF0MrQ/s320/Tripolye_hut.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;fulcrum&lt;/b&gt; 'prop, support', from the verb &lt;b&gt;fulci&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;ō&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; 'to support', is cognate to&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Greek&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; phálkēs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; 'rib (of a ship)', &lt;b&gt;phálanks&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 'beam'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; Old High German &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;balko&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; 'beam' and Lithuanian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;balžiena &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;'crossbar'. From these data, Indo-Europeanists&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;such as&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; Porkorny reconstruct a PIE root &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/pokorny&amp;amp;text_number=+218&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*bhel-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;with &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;various velar suffixes: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*bh&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;º&lt;/span&gt;l-Hk´-, &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*bh&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;º&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;l-Hg´-, *bh&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;º&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;l&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;H-n-g´-, *bhel-g´-, *bhel-g´h-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;The bare stem can also be found in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Proto-Altaic &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=1711&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*p&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;árà(n)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'cross-beam, constructing place', a root to which I'd link &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;*warandā&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; (with &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;a lenition &lt;b&gt;*p&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;*φ&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;*w&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;, a Wanderwort found in West Romance (Portuguese &lt;b&gt;varanda&lt;/b&gt;, Spanish &lt;b&gt;baranda&lt;/b&gt; 'fence around a staircase, terrace, balcony'), Indic &lt;b&gt;vará&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Times,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;ṉḏ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ah&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; 'partition wall' (hence Anglo-English &lt;b&gt;verandah&lt;/b&gt;) and Baltic (Lithuanian &lt;b&gt;varanda&lt;/b&gt; 'wickerwork').&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Also related are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="CA" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;West Romance &lt;b&gt;*parra(n)&lt;/b&gt; 'fence, enclosure; frame' (Spanish&lt;b&gt; parra&lt;/b&gt; 'grapevine', &lt;b&gt;parrilla&lt;/b&gt; 'grill') and West Germanic &lt;b&gt;*parrik-&lt;/b&gt; 'fence' (German &lt;b&gt;Pferch&lt;/b&gt;, French &lt;b&gt;parc&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; English &lt;b&gt;park&lt;/b&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;As a Wanderwort, this root also reached Proto-NEC, where we find &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1375&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*bVrk'wV&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'enclosure; frame, staircase', a root from which derives Latin &lt;b&gt;pergula&lt;/b&gt; 'porch' (with a suffix parallel to the Andian one).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;The use of wooden beams in construction can be illustrated in the Neolithic huts like the ones of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pars_pro_toto"&gt;Cucuteni-Trypillian culture&lt;/a&gt; (see the above photo), which had &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;a prop to hold up the roof.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;___________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Although  these phonetic irregularities have no explanation in the  mainstream theory, IMHO they could be reflexes of an Eurasiatic  glottalic stop &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;*k’/*q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-7404769164188887367?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/7404769164188887367/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=7404769164188887367&amp;isPopup=true' title='19 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7404769164188887367'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7404769164188887367'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/09/latin-fulcrum-prop-support.html' title='Latin fulcrum &apos;prop, support&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5S7JkoaVLZQ/S0XG7u1YJPI/AAAAAAAAACA/wZ-vVhF0MrQ/s72-c/Tripolye_hut.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>19</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-3713395347148043886</id><published>2011-09-18T22:43:00.028+02:00</published><updated>2011-09-23T23:29:42.532+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Romance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>Latin pariēs 'wall'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Although some Indo-Europanists link it to&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Proto-Germanic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/germet&amp;amp;text_number=++1819&amp;amp;root=config" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*spar(r)e:n, *sparrio:n&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;'stake, beam', &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;pariēs&lt;/b&gt; 'wall' has no inherited PIE etymology. But IMHO it can be considered as a substrate loanword from PIE &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/pokorny&amp;amp;text_number=2166&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*Hwer-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'to close, to cover' (usually with various suffixes), a root from which I'd also derive Romance &lt;b&gt;barra&lt;/b&gt; 'bar, barrier' and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*berruculu- &lt;/b&gt;(Spanish &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;berrojo&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;, Gascon &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;berrolh&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;) 'a wooden or iron bar or bolt placed across gates on the inside'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;This would be a PIE B root corresponding to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Proto-Altaic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=2445&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*t`jù:ru&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;'to hold, to obstruct' and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;PIE A &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=1846&amp;amp;root=config" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*twerH-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; 'to keep, to hold, to fence', found in Balto-Slavic and also the source of Latin &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;obtūrō&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; 'to block, to stop up' and Romance &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;*at-tūrō&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; 'to stop'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;_____________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; Which Coromines thinks it was an alteration (possibly by contamination with &lt;b&gt;ferrum&lt;/b&gt; 'iron') of Latin &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;ver&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ū&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;culum&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;, diminutive form of &lt;b&gt;ver&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ūs &lt;/b&gt;'roasting spit' &amp;lt; PIE &lt;b&gt;*g&lt;sup&gt;w&lt;/sup&gt;er(H)-u-&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-3713395347148043886?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/3713395347148043886/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=3713395347148043886&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/3713395347148043886'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/3713395347148043886'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/09/latin-paries-wall.html' title='Latin pariēs &apos;wall&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-7221174419261903083</id><published>2011-09-13T14:51:00.012+02:00</published><updated>2011-09-14T09:45:45.576+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fournet&apos;s Law'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Afrasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Etruscan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trolls'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hurrian'/><title type='text'>Beware the troll!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Arnaud Fournet, a Frenchman who lives near Paris and uses the aliases &lt;b&gt;yangg&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;afyangh&lt;/b&gt;, is a dangerous **troll** as well as a crackpot linguist. His favourite pastime is insulting and defamating other people like myself in an &lt;i&gt;ad hoc&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href="http://world-web-trolls-and-idiots.blogspot.com/2011/09/lord-of-all-trolls.html"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; as well as in the Yahoo! groups &lt;a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IndiaArchaeology"&gt;IndiaArchaeology&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist"&gt;cybalist&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nostratic-L"&gt;Nostratic-L&lt;/a&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;, his most used adjective being "incompetent"&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;The reason why he hates me so much is he's a strong opponent of the Vasco-Caucasian hypothesis. At the same time he's obsessed with his own "Out-of-Anatolia" theory which makes PIE a near relative of Asianic languages such as Hurrian&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;, in despite he formerly regarded IE as a branch of Afrasian (renamed as "Chamito-Semitic").&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;That is, shameless changes from one view to the opposite are also characteristic of him. For example, although he formerly defended Etruscan was autochtonous to Italy, he now thinks it's "an evolved variety of Hurro-Urartean" and thus it came from the East (see his &lt;a href="http://macro-comparison-is-now.blogspot.com/2011/09/about-etruscan-and-tyrsenian-languages.html"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;As I'm a much nobler person than him, it would be also unfair not to say that some of his ideas deserve merit, for example the one which lead me to formulate what I call &lt;i&gt;Fournet's Law&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;By contrast, he's capable of stealing other people's ideas without ever giving credit to the original authors. For example, although he formerly linked Basque &lt;b&gt;bide&lt;/b&gt; 'path' to PIE &lt;b&gt;*pe:d-&lt;/b&gt; 'foot', he changed his mind after I pointed to him PIE &lt;b&gt;*pent- &lt;/b&gt;'to find (one's way)' was more suitable. Of course, my name was never mentioned on his writings.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;__________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; After being expelled from the last two, he has recently regained membership of Nostratic-L, in despite of having insulting the owner (including a "WANTED" poster with his photo).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; A search for this word on these groups gave respectively 20, 27 and 36 results.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; He coauthored a &lt;a href="http://www.nostratic.ru/books/%28432%29bomhard-hurrian.pdf"&gt;paper&lt;/a&gt; on the subject with his former friend Allan Bomhard, who has now &lt;a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Nostratic-L/message/9964"&gt;retracted&lt;/a&gt; form it. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;He also made a "decipherment" of the Phaistos Disk assuming the language was a form of Hurrian.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-7221174419261903083?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/7221174419261903083/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=7221174419261903083&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7221174419261903083'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7221174419261903083'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/09/beware-troll.html' title='Beware the troll!'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-3605537782336869468</id><published>2011-07-25T01:24:00.010+02:00</published><updated>2011-07-25T11:36:23.266+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Romance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><title type='text'>Initial labials in Basque</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Unlike what we've seen in last post, the native result of Latin and Romance &lt;b&gt;f-&lt;/b&gt; in Basque is /&lt;b&gt;p&lt;/b&gt;/, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;lenied to /&lt;b&gt;b&lt;/b&gt;/ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;in the standard variety &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;at word-initial:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;fāgu-&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; 'beech' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;gt; romance &lt;b&gt;*fago&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Basque &lt;b&gt;pago, bago&lt;/b&gt; id.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt; (but also &lt;b&gt;fago&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;fīcu- &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'fig' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Romance &lt;b&gt;*fī&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;co&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;p(h)iko, biku&lt;/b&gt; id. (but also &lt;b&gt;fiko, fiku&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Germanic *&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;fīl&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ō &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'file' &amp;gt; Spanish &lt;b&gt;filosa&lt;/b&gt; 'sword, knife' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;piruxe&lt;/b&gt; 'scissors'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;f&lt;span lang="FR" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ī&lt;/span&gt;lu-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'thread' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;p(h)iru, biru &lt;/b&gt;id. (but also &lt;b&gt;firu&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;f&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ōnte- &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'source, spring' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;ponte, ponde&lt;/b&gt; 'baptismal font'&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;f&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ō&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;rma- &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'mould' &lt;/span&gt;&amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;borma&lt;/b&gt; 'wall'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;fortia-&lt;/b&gt; 'strength' &amp;gt; Romance &lt;b&gt;*fortsa&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;nbsp; Basque &lt;b&gt;bortxa&lt;/b&gt; 'force, violence'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;fortis&lt;/b&gt; 'strong' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;portitz, bortitz&lt;/b&gt; 'hard, strong'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;Romance &lt;b&gt;*freca&lt;/b&gt; 'stroke' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;p(h)ereka&lt;/b&gt; id. (but also &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;fereka&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt; &amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin&lt;b&gt; fronte-&lt;/b&gt; 'forehead' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;boronde, boronte&lt;/b&gt; id.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;furca-&lt;/b&gt; 'pitchfork' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;urka&lt;/b&gt; 'pitchfork, gallows'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Also&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*w&lt;/b&gt; from &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;v- &lt;/b&gt;(and in some cases also &lt;b&gt;b&lt;/b&gt;-) became /&lt;b&gt;p&lt;/b&gt;/:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;b&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ē&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;stia-&lt;/b&gt; 'animal' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;piztia, pisti(a)&lt;/b&gt; 'beast, pest'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin&lt;b&gt; br&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ā&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ca-&lt;/b&gt; 'trousers' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;prakak &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;(plural)&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;'trousers' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;(but also &lt;b&gt;frakak&lt;/b&gt;) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;gaudiu-&lt;/b&gt; 'joy' &amp;gt; Romance &lt;b&gt;*got&lt;sup&gt;s&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt; [&lt;b&gt;wot&lt;sup&gt;s&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;poz, bo(t)z&lt;/b&gt; 'joy, happiness' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;v&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ēsīca- &lt;/b&gt;'urine bladder; blister' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;pu(t)xika&lt;/b&gt; 'urine bladder'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;viride-&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;'green' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;gt; Romance &lt;b&gt;verde&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;p(h)erde, berde &lt;/b&gt;id. (but also &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ferde&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;volunt&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;āte-&lt;/b&gt; 'will, desire' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;borondate, boront(h)ate&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;id.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;vulture-&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; Romance &lt;b&gt;*wutre&lt;/b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;putre &lt;/b&gt;id. (but also &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;futre&lt;/b&gt;) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;By contrast, a minoritary set of words has a nasal /&lt;b&gt;m&lt;/b&gt;/ instead:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Celtic &lt;b&gt;*bakko-&lt;/b&gt; 'hook, (curved) stick' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;mako&lt;/b&gt; 'hook; pitchfork, prong; walking-stick, shepherd's staff', &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;mak(h)ila, mak(h)illa&lt;/b&gt; 'stick' (diminutive)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Romance &lt;b&gt;barca&lt;/b&gt; 'boat' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;marka&lt;/b&gt; id. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Late Latin &lt;b&gt;persica-&lt;/b&gt; 'peach' &amp;gt; Basque&lt;b&gt; mertxika&lt;/b&gt; 'apricot, peach'&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;p&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;īca- &lt;/b&gt;'magpie' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;mika &lt;/b&gt;id.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;portu- &lt;/b&gt;'(mountain) pass' &amp;gt; Basque&lt;b&gt; mortu, maurtu&lt;/b&gt; 'desert' (but also &lt;b&gt;portu&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;v&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;āg&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;īna- &lt;/b&gt;'sheath' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;magina, magiña&lt;/b&gt; 'sheath, pod'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;vascellu-&lt;/b&gt; 'little glass' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;maskelu, maskillo &lt;/b&gt;'little cauldron'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Even more oddly, in some dialectal words the initial labial becomes a dental /&lt;b&gt;d&lt;/b&gt;/ (/&lt;b&gt;l&lt;/b&gt;/ in the standard variety):&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Romance &lt;b&gt;banca&lt;/b&gt; 'small bench' &amp;gt; Basque&lt;b&gt; lanka, lanke&lt;/b&gt; id.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Romance &lt;b&gt;*pendiolu-&lt;/b&gt; 'hanging'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;dindullu&lt;/b&gt; 'earrings'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;verber&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;āre &lt;/b&gt;'to whip, to hit, to beat' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;dirdira&lt;/b&gt; 'sunshine reflection'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;__________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; 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font-size: small;"&gt;As it's well known, Basque abhors "muta cum liquida" clusters and thus we've got &lt;b&gt;boronde, boronte &lt;/b&gt;&amp;lt; Latin &lt;b&gt;fronte-&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;p(h)ereka, fereka&lt;/b&gt; 'stroke' from Romance &lt;b&gt;*freca&lt;/b&gt; &amp;lt; Latin &lt;b&gt;fricāre &lt;/b&gt;'to rub'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;There's however a number of words where Latin &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;pl-, fl-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; have given &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Basque &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;l-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;plācet&lt;/b&gt; 'it pleases' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;laket&lt;/b&gt; 'pleasure'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;plānu-&lt;/b&gt; 'flat' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;lau(n), leu(n), legun&lt;/b&gt; 'flat, smooth'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;plūma-&lt;/b&gt; 'feather' &amp;gt; Basque&lt;b&gt; luma&lt;/b&gt; id. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin&lt;b&gt; flamma-&lt;/b&gt; 'flame, fire' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;lama&lt;/b&gt; 'flame, heat'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;flore-&lt;/b&gt; 'flower' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;lore&lt;/b&gt; id.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;The evolution &lt;b&gt;fl-&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt;&lt;b&gt; l-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; can also be found in Spanish words such as &lt;b&gt;lacio&lt;/b&gt; &amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;*flaccidu-&lt;/b&gt; 'flacid' and the personal name &lt;b&gt;Laín&lt;/b&gt; &amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;Flavinus&lt;/b&gt;. IMHO this could be explained if these labials were realized as a voiceless bilabial fricative [&lt;b&gt;φ&lt;/b&gt;] like in Proto-Celtic&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;, where IE &lt;b&gt;*pl-&lt;/b&gt; became &lt;b&gt;*φl-&lt;/b&gt; and later &lt;b&gt;l-&lt;/b&gt; in Celtic languages. Of course, we should expect the same evolution in genuine Celtic loanwords in Basque&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Celtic &lt;b&gt;*φlāro-&lt;/b&gt; 'floor' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;larre&lt;/b&gt; 'meadow'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Celtic &lt;b&gt;*φletro- &lt;/b&gt;'hide, leather' &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;larru, narru&lt;/b&gt; 'skin'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;IMHO, the realization of /&lt;b&gt;f&lt;/b&gt;/ as [&lt;b&gt;φ&lt;/b&gt;] &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;(which in fact is the usual pronounciation&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; in most of Northern Spain (also including Basque-speaking areas)&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;would explain the aspiration of Latin &lt;b&gt;f-&lt;/b&gt; as&lt;b&gt; h-&lt;/b&gt; in Gascon and Spanish&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;In Basque, this consonant disappears at word-initial, mostly before back vowels, where &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;also /&lt;b&gt;p&lt;/b&gt;/was realized as [&lt;b&gt;φ&lt;/b&gt;]:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Romance &lt;b&gt;*f&lt;span lang="FR" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ī&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;co&lt;/b&gt; 'fig' [&lt;b&gt;φiko&lt;/b&gt;] &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;iko&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;id.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;f&lt;span lang="FR" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ī&lt;/span&gt;lu-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'thread' &lt;/span&gt;[&lt;b&gt;φilu&lt;/b&gt;] &lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;iru &lt;/b&gt;id.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Romance &lt;b&gt;*fondo&lt;/b&gt; 'bottom' [&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;φondo&lt;/b&gt;] &lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;ondo&lt;/b&gt; 'side, bottom'&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Romance &lt;b&gt;*fongo&lt;/b&gt; 'fungus' [&lt;b&gt;φongo&lt;/b&gt;] &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;onddo&lt;/b&gt; 'mushroom'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;f&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ō&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;rma- &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'mould' [&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;φorma&lt;/b&gt;] &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;horma, orma&lt;/b&gt; 'wall'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;fr&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;āga- &lt;/b&gt;'strawberry' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;φ(a)raga&lt;/b&gt;] &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;arraga, araga &lt;/b&gt;id.&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Romance &lt;b&gt;pollo&lt;/b&gt; 'chicken' [&lt;b&gt;φoλo&lt;/b&gt;] &amp;gt; Basque &lt;b&gt;oilo&lt;/b&gt; 'hen'&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;______________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; However, in most words the cluster &lt;b&gt;fl-&lt;/b&gt; became assimilated to &lt;b&gt;pl-&lt;/b&gt;, then palatalized in Spanish and Portuguese, as in &lt;b&gt;flamma-&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; Spanish &lt;b&gt;llama&lt;/b&gt;, Portuguese&lt;b&gt; chama&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; In Proto-Celtic, PIE &lt;b&gt;*p&lt;/b&gt; became a voiceless bilabial fricative *&lt;b&gt;φ &lt;/b&gt;(then lost in the daughter Celtic languages) at word-initial and intervocally, but&lt;b&gt; *b&lt;/b&gt; in other contexts. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; In fact, there's ample evidence of Celtic toponymy in the Westernmost  part of the Basque country, suggesting the area was previously inhabited  by Celtic speakers.&lt;sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; Unlike Gascon, Spanish never aspirates clusters &lt;b&gt;fl-, fr-&lt;/b&gt; (see note 1). Also Castilian alone doesn't aspirate &lt;b&gt;f-&lt;/b&gt; when followed by /&lt;b&gt;w&lt;/b&gt;/ (resulting from diphtongation of Latin short /&lt;b&gt;o&lt;/b&gt;/), hence &lt;b&gt;fonte-&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;fuente&lt;/b&gt;. However, this doesn't happen in Cantabrian and Eastern Asturian varieties, where we find /&lt;b&gt;xwénte&lt;/b&gt;/ instead.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; In the variant &lt;b&gt;arraga&lt;/b&gt;, [&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;φr&lt;/b&gt;] evolved to a trill [&lt;b&gt;rr&lt;/b&gt;], which then adquired a prothetic vowel. Compare &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Gascon &lt;b&gt;ahraga&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-6351118079688575396?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/6351118079688575396/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=6351118079688575396&amp;isPopup=true' title='20 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/6351118079688575396'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/6351118079688575396'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/07/initial-pl-fl-in-basque.html' title='Initial pl-,fl- in Basque'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>20</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-7304869026680751517</id><published>2011-07-20T00:58:00.025+02:00</published><updated>2011-07-25T11:52:34.112+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Romance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homonymy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Balto-Slavic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Italoid'/><title type='text'>¿A dónde me llevas?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wE2i0rNuoHI/S_kNrEQTYTI/AAAAAAAAADI/-KVmcoF8AKc/s1600/Coromines.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wE2i0rNuoHI/S_kNrEQTYTI/AAAAAAAAADI/-KVmcoF8AKc/s320/Coromines.jpg" width="208" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Según los diccionarios etimológicos al uso, el castellano &lt;b&gt;llevar&lt;/b&gt; deriva del latín &lt;b&gt;levāre &lt;/b&gt;'levantar, alzar'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;, que ha quedado fosilizado en la expresión &lt;b&gt;levar anclas&lt;/b&gt;. Según Coromines y Menéndez Pidal, la palatal inicial es el resultado de la evolución de las antiguas formas de presente &lt;b&gt;lievo, lievas&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;b&gt;lieva&lt;/b&gt; en &lt;b&gt;llevo, llevas&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;b&gt;lleva&lt;/b&gt;, luego generalizadas al resto de la conjugación.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Sin embargo, en castellano este verbo tiene además la acepción de 'conducir, guíar', ausente de las demás lenguas excepto el gallego-portugués. En mi opinión, esto sólo puede explicarse como una homonimia. Es decir, que el castellano &lt;b&gt;llevar&lt;/b&gt; (gallego-portugués &lt;b&gt;levar&lt;/b&gt;) en el sentido de 'conducir, guiar' debe provenir de una palabra distinta al &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;latín &lt;b&gt;levāre &lt;/b&gt;'levantar, alzar'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;La verdad es que nunca había imaginado esta etimología hasta que topé con ella por casualidad, y se trata del nombre céltico del 'timón', reconstruído por Matasović como &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;*φlowjo, *φlowj&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;ā&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &amp;gt; antiguo irlandés &lt;b&gt;luí, lui&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;ā &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;'timón, cola', bretón &lt;b&gt;lewier&lt;/b&gt; 'piloto', &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;galés medio &lt;b&gt;llyw&lt;/b&gt;, cónico&lt;b&gt; leu &lt;/b&gt;'timón'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;. La palabra castellana supone pues una forma &lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;*lew-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; como en britónico.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Atendiendo a la sugerencia de Alinei&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;, hay que relacionar la palabra céltica con el nombre del 'arado' en rético, glosado en latín &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;(Plinio) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;como &lt;b&gt;plaumor&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;atum&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;, así como otros testimonios en retorromance y alto italiano que nos remiten a una protoforma &lt;b&gt;*plou- &lt;/b&gt;derivada de la &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;raíz IE &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=++2033&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*pleu-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'fluir, flotar' (griego &lt;b&gt;plé&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ō &lt;/b&gt;'navegar')&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;. A partir de una extensión &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*plou-g-&lt;/b&gt; y en una lengua no identificada, se originó también una palabra errante o "Wanderwort" para designar el 'arado' que encontramos en germánico (inglés &lt;b&gt;plough&lt;/b&gt;, alemán &lt;b&gt;Pflug&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;), báltico (lituano &lt;b&gt;plūgas&lt;/b&gt;) y eslavo (serbocroata, placo y ruso &lt;b&gt;plug&lt;/b&gt;). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;_______________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Al significado original se han añadido otros como 'separar, quitar' en varias lenguas románicas.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Compárese con el latín &lt;b&gt;gubern&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;ā&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;re &lt;/b&gt;'dirigir una nave' (a su vez préstamo del griego &lt;b&gt;kybernáō&lt;/b&gt;), del cual deriva &lt;b&gt;gobernar&lt;/b&gt;. A su vez, el &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;diminutivo &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;gubern&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;ā&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;culum &lt;/b&gt;de &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;gubernum&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;'timón' dio el catalán &lt;b&gt;governall&lt;/b&gt;, y de ahí el castellano &lt;b&gt;gobernalle&lt;/b&gt; 'timón'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Mario Alinei (2000): &lt;i&gt;Origini delle lingue d'Europa&lt;/i&gt;, vol. II, pp. 879-884.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; Analizable como un compuesto &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;plaumo-r&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;atum &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;cuyo segundo elemento estaría relacionado con 'rueda'; es decir, 'arado con ruedas'. El vocalismo /&lt;b&gt;a&lt;/b&gt;/ de esta forma puede explicarse por un origen &lt;i&gt;italoide&lt;/i&gt;, que recordemos es una lengua IE descubierta independientemente por Coromines (que la bautizó como "sorotáptico") y Villar, y que se encontraría en una posición intermedia entre el báltico y el itálico dentro de la nube dialectal IE.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-7304869026680751517?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/7304869026680751517/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=7304869026680751517&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7304869026680751517'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/7304869026680751517'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/07/donde-me-llevas.html' title='¿A dónde me llevas?'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wE2i0rNuoHI/S_kNrEQTYTI/AAAAAAAAADI/-KVmcoF8AKc/s72-c/Coromines.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-4652717631170477465</id><published>2011-07-18T12:59:00.006+02:00</published><updated>2011-07-25T00:10:01.494+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Romance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Slavic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cantabrian'/><title type='text'>Una calle no es una arruga, sino un arroyo</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Como es bien sabido, el castellano &lt;b&gt;arroyo&lt;/b&gt; es una forma masculina derivada del latín hispánico &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; (Plinio) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;arrugia &lt;/b&gt;'galería de mina', un conducto artificial por donde circulaba el agua al objeto de lavar el mineral&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;. Lo que ya no es tan conocido es que una forma emparentada &lt;b&gt;*rūga &lt;/b&gt;es el verdadero origen del portugués &lt;b&gt;rua&lt;/b&gt; y francés &lt;b&gt;rue&lt;/b&gt; 'calle, calleja'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;, erróneamente atribuído por el romanista Meyer-Lübke (REW 7426) al latin &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;rūga &lt;/b&gt;'arruga'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;De la forma diminutiva &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*rūgula &lt;/b&gt;deriva el gascón &lt;b&gt;arrrolha, rolha, garrolha &lt;/b&gt;'arroyo, cavidad, canal', prestado al euskera &lt;b&gt;arroil, erroila &lt;/b&gt;'canal; barranco; cavidad; raya del pelo'.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;En mi opinión, todas estas formas provienen de una lengua vasco-caucásica pero no vascónica a la que llamo &lt;i&gt;cantábrico&lt;/i&gt;. La etimología es a partir del PNC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+939&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;*j&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;ɦ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;erqqw&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;ɨ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt; (˜ -o:)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; 'ladera; barranco, trinchera'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;, que en euskera nativo da &lt;b&gt;erreka &lt;/b&gt;'barranco, lecho de río o arroyo; arroyo; surco; raya del pelo'. En las lenguas hispánicas encontramos cognatos en portugués &lt;b&gt;rego&lt;/b&gt;, asturiano &lt;b&gt;riego&lt;/b&gt;, catalán &lt;b&gt;rec&lt;/b&gt;, castellano &lt;b&gt;regato&lt;/b&gt; 'riachuelo; canal de riego'.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Aunque &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;algunos linguistas han sugerido &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;para estas palabras &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;una etimología céltica a partir de &lt;b&gt;*φrikā&lt;/b&gt; 'surco de arado' (latín &lt;b&gt;porca&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;hay que rechazarla por razones semánticas&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; como hace Corominas. En este sentido, el parecido con el antiguo eslavo eclesiástico &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;r&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ĕ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ka &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'río' (cuya ascendencia IE es dudosa) parece algo más que una simple anécdota.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;__________________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Este método era especialmente usado en las minas de oro, hasta el punto que los romanos perforaron una montaña (Montefurado) y desviaron a través de ella el río Sil.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; Meyer-Lübke cita también las formas&lt;b&gt; ruga&lt;/b&gt; (dialectos sud-itálicos), &lt;b&gt;arruga&lt;/b&gt; (campidorés) y &lt;b&gt;carruga&lt;/b&gt; (lucano). Y en euskera encontramos el vizcaíno &lt;b&gt;arruga&lt;/b&gt; 'plaza, mercado'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Coromines acepta esta etimología hasta el punto de afirmar que "&lt;i&gt;vistas desde lejos, las calles de una localidad semejan arrugas&lt;/i&gt;". Sin comentarios.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; Del PIE &lt;b&gt;*perk´-&lt;/b&gt; 'surco', que en mi opinión proviene del PNC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1633&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;ɦ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;w&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;ə&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;:rqqe:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt; 'línea de los montes; límite' &amp;gt; euskera&lt;b&gt; hegi&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-4652717631170477465?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/4652717631170477465/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=4652717631170477465&amp;isPopup=true' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4652717631170477465'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4652717631170477465'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/07/una-calle-no-es-una-arruga-sino-un.html' title='Una calle no es una arruga, sino un arroyo'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-839879729658785790</id><published>2011-07-07T14:05:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2011-07-25T00:11:07.621+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Etruscan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sino-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Catalan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Burushaski'/><title type='text'>Catalan turó 'hill'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Catalan&lt;b&gt; turó&lt;/b&gt; 'hill' &amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;*torōne-&lt;/b&gt; (augmentative form) is a pre-Latin word which the Catalan linguist Joan Coromines has related to South Italian&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;t&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ǫ&lt;/span&gt;ro&lt;/b&gt;, which has nothing to do with the homonymous word meaning 'bull'. This is linked in turn to Etruscan &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;θ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;aur(a) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;'sepulchre', from which I reconstruct a PIE B root &lt;b&gt;*dhaun-&lt;/b&gt; 'hill, mound' from which also derives Germanic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/germet&amp;amp;text_number=++1284&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*dūnō&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt; 'hill, dune' (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;English &lt;b&gt;down&lt;/b&gt;, Dutch &lt;b&gt;duin&lt;/b&gt; 'dune')&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;IMHO, this is an old Vasco-Caucasian root found in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;Burushaski &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/sinocauc/buruet&amp;amp;text_number=+156&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*d’oŋ&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt; ‘hill, mound’ and Sino-Tibetan &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/sintib/stibet&amp;amp;text_number=1003&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*[t]uŋ (r-)&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;'hill, mound'. This root is probably represented in Basque &lt;b&gt;zuin&lt;/b&gt;, an agricultural technical term meaning 'furrow made in a field before showing' and 'mound of earth extracted from a furrow'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-839879729658785790?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/839879729658785790/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=839879729658785790&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/839879729658785790'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/839879729658785790'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/07/catalan-turo-hill.html' title='Catalan turó &apos;hill&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-391526566661824793</id><published>2011-07-07T12:19:00.015+02:00</published><updated>2011-08-08T15:14:00.195+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fournet&apos;s Law'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kartvelian'/><title type='text'>Dwellings</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;colō&lt;/b&gt; 'to inhabit, to dwell' (hence &lt;b&gt;in-cola&lt;/b&gt; 'inhabitant', &lt;b&gt;in-quil-īnus&lt;/b&gt; 'tenant') is derived by Indo-Europeanists from PIE &lt;b&gt;*k&lt;sup&gt;w&lt;/sup&gt;el-&lt;/b&gt; 'to turn', assuming the original meaning was 'to turn up soil'. However, this explanation strikes me as a bad one, so I searched for a better etymology.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I see here a PIE A root &lt;b&gt;*k&lt;sup&gt;w&lt;/sup&gt;el-&lt;/b&gt; 'to dwell' (homonymous with the above one) cognate to PAltaic&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/goog_374267117"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=+575&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*gù:lí&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'dwelling, cottage'.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;This is in turn related to PNC &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ccauc%5Ccaucet&amp;amp;text_recno=1179&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*&lt;b&gt;q&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ə&lt;/span&gt;lV&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'house, hut', which gives also Kartvelian &lt;b&gt;*xl-&lt;/b&gt; 'to dwell' (hence &lt;b&gt;*sa-xl-&lt;/b&gt; 'house' and PIE B &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=++2979&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*sel-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'dwelling, settlement' (Latin &lt;b&gt;solum&lt;/b&gt;, PGermanic &lt;b&gt;*sala-&lt;/b&gt;), an instance of &lt;i&gt;Fournet's Law&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;_________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; See my earlier &lt;a href="http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/06/pie-and-pie-b.html"&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; for more information.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-391526566661824793?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/391526566661824793/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=391526566661824793&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/391526566661824793'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/391526566661824793'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/07/dwellings.html' title='Dwellings'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-3526992399798637509</id><published>2011-06-26T15:36:00.041+02:00</published><updated>2011-11-06T22:08:00.085+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='totem word'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Etruscan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greek'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>Vultures and bears</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;voltur, vultur &lt;/b&gt;'&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulture"&gt;vulture&lt;/a&gt;' is a loanword from Etruscan &lt;b&gt;velθur&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;(attested as a personal name), in turn derivated from PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1148&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*gwe:rdV (*gwe:t’V-rV)&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'a beast or bird of prey', a root also reflected in Greek &lt;b&gt;blosyrós &lt;/b&gt;'terrible, fearsome'.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;This would be an example of what I call a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;i&gt; totem &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;word for naming animals to which they were attributed magical or supernatural qualities.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;To this root I also link &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Altaic &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=+790&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*ké:rdu (˜ k`-)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;'a k. of bird of prey', (South) Dravidian &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/drav/dravet&amp;amp;text_number=+511&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*kara&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;ɖ&lt;/span&gt;-i&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;'black bear' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE &lt;b&gt;*p&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;º&lt;/span&gt;rd-&lt;/b&gt; 'panther, leopard'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Greek &lt;b&gt;párdos&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;, &lt;b&gt;párdalos&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'leopard'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;. From Greek, the word was borrowed into Latin &lt;b&gt;pardus&lt;/b&gt;, later &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;used &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;with &lt;b&gt;leo &lt;/b&gt;'lion' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;in the compound form &lt;b&gt;leo pardus&lt;/b&gt;. In Spanish, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;this word was semantically reanalyzed as the adjective &lt;b&gt;pardo &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'brown', &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;firstly referring &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;to the blackish spots of&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;leopards&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; and later generalized to other things&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;_______________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; W&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;ith reduction of the initial labiovelar cluster.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; J. Coromines (1973, 2008): &lt;i&gt;Breve diccionario etimológico de la lengua castellana&lt;/i&gt;, p. 414.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-3526992399798637509?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/3526992399798637509/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=3526992399798637509&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/3526992399798637509'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/3526992399798637509'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/06/vultures-and-bears.html' title='Vultures and bears'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-2998305010373153642</id><published>2011-06-25T14:58:00.057+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-08T22:24:41.129+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Romance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='loanword'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homophony'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Phoenician'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Uralic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Afrasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Semitic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>Ribs and bones</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;costa&lt;/b&gt; 'rib; side, flank' is usually linked by Indo-Europeanists &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;to Old Church Slavonic &lt;b&gt;kostĭ &lt;/b&gt;'bone'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;, thus reconstructing a PIE root &lt;b&gt;*kost-&lt;/b&gt; 'bone' whose initial velar (by contrast to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;PIE &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*h&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;ost(h)-&lt;/b&gt; 'bone'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;has been &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;traditionally explained as a prefix of some kind. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;However, Gamkredlize-Ivanov&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;have proposed this alternation to be different reflexes of a former voiceless aspirated uvular &lt;b&gt;*q&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;The amateur linguist &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.esnips.com/doc/4759e9ef-c2a4-47c4-954d-d43e503ee3d6/SemiticPreIEloan_20081020/"&gt;Glen Gordon&lt;/a&gt; thinks these are Semitic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;loanwords from a feminine form of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/semet&amp;amp;text_number=+323&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;*k&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;ʕ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;a(w)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: &amp;quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&amp;quot;;"&gt;ʃ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt; 'bow' like &lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Phoenician &lt;b&gt;qšt&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;However, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;the&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;geographical&lt;/i&gt; meanings of &lt;b&gt;costa&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;such as 'coast' and '(hill) slope', &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;well reflected in Romance&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;are better explained from Phoenician &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;q&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;s&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;ʕ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;t &lt;/b&gt;'edge, limit'&lt;sup&gt; &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;(femenine)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &amp;lt; Semitic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/semet&amp;amp;text_number=1138&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;*kʕVyVsʕ-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;'end, edge'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt; Thus I consider the Latin and the Slavic words be homophonous.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;The same semantic pattern can be seen in Semitic &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/semet&amp;amp;text_number=1074&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*gVbVl-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'mountain; boundary, border' (&amp;lt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;Afrasian &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/afaset&amp;amp;text_number=1537&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*gVbVl-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'bank, side')&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;, borrowed into PIE A &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+369&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*g´hebhōl-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;(Greek &lt;b&gt;khephalé:&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;b&gt; ~ &lt;/b&gt;PIE B &lt;b&gt;*kapōl-o- &lt;/b&gt;(Sanskrit &lt;b&gt;kapá:la&lt;/b&gt;) 'head'.&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;_______________ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Gamkredlize-Ivanov &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;(1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;995): &lt;i&gt;Indo-European and the Indo-Europeans&lt;/i&gt;, pp. 111-113.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; Mª Josep Estanyol (1980): &lt;i&gt;Vocabulario fenicio&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-2998305010373153642?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/2998305010373153642/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=2998305010373153642&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2998305010373153642'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2998305010373153642'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/06/ribs-and-bones.html' title='Ribs and bones'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-6342893058961673255</id><published>2011-06-24T12:15:00.017+02:00</published><updated>2011-08-08T15:52:08.738+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Forunet&apos;s Law'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tocharian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Spanish'/><title type='text'>Clay and chalk</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;Celtic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;*k&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;w&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;rīyet- &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;'clay, earth, mud' (Old Irish &lt;b&gt;cré&lt;/b&gt;, Old Breton &lt;b&gt;pri&lt;/b&gt;) is an intesresting word cognate to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;cr&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;ēta&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt; 'clay; chalk'. Although &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;this word has no plausible IE etymology, Indo-Europeanists like Mallory &amp;amp; Adams&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;have concocted a PIE root &lt;b&gt;*t&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;k&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;w&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;reh&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;yot- &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;'clay' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;to explain this and Tocharian A &lt;b&gt;tukri&lt;/b&gt; 'clay'.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;More judiciously, the Celtic specialist Ranko Matasović&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2 &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;has proposed to analyse this word as a root &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;*k&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;w&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;r&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;ē- &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;plus a "suffix" &lt;b&gt;*-yet-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;, which IMHO is a compound 'clay stone' from the PNC roots &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+360&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*Gw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+360&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-size: 12pt;"&gt;ē&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+360&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;rV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt; 'stone' and &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ccauc%5Ccaucet&amp;amp;text_recno=358&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*&lt;b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"&gt;t&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&amp;quot;;"&gt;ʃ&lt;/span&gt;’HādwV&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'earth, clay'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;Cognate to the first root but with a different vocalism, we've got PIE A &lt;b&gt;*kar-&lt;/b&gt; 'hard', reflected in Basque &lt;b&gt;harri&lt;/b&gt; 'stone'. The corresponding PIE B form would have &lt;b&gt;*s-&lt;/b&gt; by Fournet's Law, and it would explain Basque &lt;b&gt;sarro&lt;/b&gt; 'plaque, fur, tartar' and dialectal Basque &lt;b&gt;sarra&lt;/b&gt; 'iron tartar'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;___________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; J.P. Mallory &amp;amp; D.Q. Adams (2006): &lt;i&gt;The Oxford&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;introduction to PIE and the PIE world&lt;/i&gt;, p. 121.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;R. Matasović &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="IT" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;(2008): &lt;i&gt;Etymological dictionary of Proto-Celtic&lt;/i&gt;, p.p. 182-183.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-6342893058961673255?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/6342893058961673255/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=6342893058961673255&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/6342893058961673255'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/6342893058961673255'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/06/clay-and-gravel.html' title='Clay and chalk'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-5665497556901370918</id><published>2011-06-18T23:22:00.044+02:00</published><updated>2011-08-08T22:33:37.169+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fournet&apos;s Law'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='centumization'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>PIE A and PIE B</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;By comparing PIE with other &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;protolanguages&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;, I've discovered two sets of sound correspondences which IMHO respectively correspond to two different lexicon layers I call A and B. For example:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ccauc%5Ccaucet&amp;amp;text_recno=420&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;*t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;ɕ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;’a:d&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;ɮ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;wV&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'blood; life'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PAltaic &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=1976&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*sè:gù&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'healthy; blood&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE A &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+401&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*y&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;ak(k)-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'healthy; to cure&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE B &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+++249&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*h&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;e-sh&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;º&lt;/span&gt;r/&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;º&lt;/span&gt;n-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; '(flowing) blood'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;, &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+987&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*seh&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;-n-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'healthy' (Latin &lt;b&gt;s&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;ā&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;nus&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+142&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*=ǝ&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;qE&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'to raise, to be high' (with a dental prefix)&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PAltaic&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Calt%5Caltet&amp;amp;text_recno=2293&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*t`ák`i&lt;span style="font-weight: normal;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;'ceremony, sacrifice'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE A &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=1361&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*y&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;ag´-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'to worship&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE B&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;*sa(n)k-&lt;/b&gt; 'to sanctify' (Latin &lt;b&gt;sanctus&lt;/b&gt;), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*sak-ro-&lt;/b&gt; 'holy' (Latin &lt;b&gt;sacer&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE A and PIE B have significant differences in their phonology. For example, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;in PIE A palatal (and alveolo-palatal) consonants merged with dentals&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;, while in PIE B they &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;underwent &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centum-Satem_isogloss"&gt;&lt;i&gt;centumization&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;For example:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PAltaic &lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=1417&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span lang="NL"&gt;*na:d&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="NL" style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʒ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="NL"&gt;V&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'summer, midday' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE A &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+685&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;*le:t-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'warm season, day'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE B &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+203&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;*(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;d&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;)ag´&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;º&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;r-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt; 'day'&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Also in PIE B happened what I call &lt;i&gt;Fournet's Law&lt;/i&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; by which postvelar continuants &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;χ&lt;/b&gt; ~ *&lt;b&gt;ħ&lt;/b&gt; and *&lt;b&gt;ʁ&lt;/b&gt; ~ *&lt;b&gt;ʕ&lt;/b&gt; "fall back" to respectively *&lt;b&gt;s&lt;/b&gt; and *&lt;b&gt;z&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;at word-initial&lt;b&gt;. &lt;/b&gt;For example:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PSemitic &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/semet&amp;amp;text_number=816&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*ħamm-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'hot'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE A &lt;b&gt;*h&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;e:m-er-&lt;/b&gt; 'heat of the day' (Greek&lt;b&gt; hemé:ra&lt;/b&gt; 'day')&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE B &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=1006&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*sam- / *s&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;º&lt;/span&gt;m-&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;º&lt;/span&gt;r-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'summer'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PAfrasian &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/afaset&amp;amp;text_number=2109&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*ʕaf-aw- / *ʕaf-aj-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; 'leaf, plant'&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;PIE A &lt;b&gt;*h&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;ebi-&lt;/b&gt; 'thorn' (Latin&lt;b&gt; abi-e:s&lt;/b&gt; 'fir')&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE B &lt;b&gt;*sap(i)-&lt;/b&gt; 'thorn' (PGermanic &lt;b&gt;*saf-&lt;/b&gt; 'reed')&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;PNC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1179&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*q&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ǝ&lt;/span&gt;lV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'house, hut'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PKartvelian &lt;b&gt;*xl-&lt;/b&gt; 'to dwell, to stay', &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ckart%5Ckartet&amp;amp;text_recno=945&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*(s)-a-xl-&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'house'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE B &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=++2979&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*sel-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'dwelling, settlement' (Latin &lt;b&gt;solum&lt;/b&gt;)&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE A &lt;b&gt;*k&lt;sup&gt;w&lt;/sup&gt;el-&lt;/b&gt; 'to inhabit'&lt;sup&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt; (Latin &lt;b&gt;colō, in-quil-īnus&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;My guess is that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;PIE A was spoken in NW and Central Europe since the Neolithic, while PIE B came from the Black Sea area, in contact with Kartvelian and North-Caucasian languages. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;____________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Compare to the Kartvelian cognate &lt;b&gt;*zisx-l/r-&lt;/b&gt; 'blood' (with a reduplicated root).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; Victims were raised over the altar in sacrifices. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Interestingly, this has &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;also &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;been postulated by Jörg Rhiemeier for his "&lt;a href="http://www.frathwiki.com/Europic"&gt;Europic&lt;/a&gt;" language.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Thus &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"satem" languages can be seen as conservative with regard to this process&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Loss of initial &lt;b&gt;*n-&lt;/b&gt; is also typical of PIE B, so the Germanic initial dental in this word might be due to PIE A substrate influence.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;After my colleague Arnaud Fournet, who originally proposed Eurasiatic &lt;b&gt;*z-&lt;/b&gt; became &lt;b&gt;*h&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; in PIE but was rendered as /&lt;b&gt;s&lt;/b&gt;/ in a substrate language he called "ZRB".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt; Confused with the homonymous 'to turn' by Indo-Europeanists. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; 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float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vaAAmL1owsA/TXjZdbx0SDI/AAAAAAAAAD4/n4vIZkt5Qg8/s1600/Celtic+from+the+West.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Proto-Celtic &lt;b&gt;*longā &lt;/b&gt;'boat, vessel' is a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Vasco-Caucasian loan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;word from PNC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="FR" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ccauc%5Ccaucet&amp;amp;text_recno=1511&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB"&gt;*leq’V&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="FR" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'a k. of vessel', a root also reflected in Latin &lt;b&gt;lanx &lt;/b&gt;'dish' (hence &lt;b&gt;bilanx&lt;/b&gt; 'balance'), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;possibly borrowed from Etruscan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;The fact boats and ships like the one shown in the photograph are vessel-shaped is the reason for this semantic shift. In&amp;nbsp; fact, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;according to the &lt;a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=vessel"&gt;OED&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;English &lt;b&gt;vessel&lt;/b&gt;, an Old French borrowing (modern &lt;b&gt;vaisseau&lt;/b&gt;) from Latin &lt;b&gt;v&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ā&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;scellum &lt;/b&gt;'small vase'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;, only adquired the meaning 'boat, ship' until around 1300.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Likewise, Basque &lt;b&gt;ontzi&lt;/b&gt; 'ship, vessel'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; comes from PNC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1518&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;*bo:ndzz(w)V&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt; 'a k. of vessel', a root borrowed into IE &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=1087&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*(s)pond&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'a k. of wooden vessel' from some Vasco-Caucasian language spoken by Neolithic farmers.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;_______________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Which also gives Catalan &lt;b&gt;vaixell&lt;/b&gt; 'ship'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; With the variant &lt;b&gt;untzi&lt;/b&gt; in northern dialects. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-4593661343728077802?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/4593661343728077802/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=4593661343728077802&amp;isPopup=true' title='20 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4593661343728077802'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4593661343728077802'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/03/boats-and-vessels.html' title='Boats and vessels'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vaAAmL1owsA/TXjZdbx0SDI/AAAAAAAAAD4/n4vIZkt5Qg8/s72-c/Celtic+from+the+West.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>20</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-1350225582279182896</id><published>2011-03-01T14:27:00.026+01:00</published><updated>2011-03-02T12:06:55.900+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wanderwort'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Semitic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='High German consonant shift'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>A Semitic 'horse' Wanderwort</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HvBCrzy2-7s/TTYS3iC_knI/AAAAAAAAADs/AGjxmcLfHMw/s1600/Kluge.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HvBCrzy2-7s/TTYS3iC_knI/AAAAAAAAADs/AGjxmcLfHMw/s320/Kluge.jpg" width="216" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;According to standard etymological dictionaries (e.g. &lt;i&gt;Kluge&lt;/i&gt;'s), High German &lt;b&gt;Pferd&lt;/b&gt; 'horse' (formerly 'post horse') is an early loanword from Late Latin &lt;b&gt;paraverēdus &lt;/b&gt;'post horse'. This&amp;nbsp; is derivated from &lt;b&gt;verēdus&lt;/b&gt;, a Celtic (Gallic) loanword &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*uerēdos &amp;lt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*uo-rēdos&lt;/b&gt; (e.g. Cymru &lt;b&gt;gorwydd&lt;/b&gt; 'horse'), a deverbal noun from &lt;b&gt;*uo-rēd-&lt;/b&gt; 'to travel fast', a compound verb from &lt;b&gt;*uo-&lt;/b&gt; 'under' and &lt;b&gt;*rēd- &lt;/b&gt;'to ride'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;However, IMHO this etymology is phonetically implausible, as it would need a huge &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplology"&gt;haplology&lt;/a&gt; (syllable collapse) to explain the German word. Taking into account the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_German_consonant_shift"&gt;High German consonant shift&lt;/a&gt; and the Dutch cognate &lt;b&gt;paard&lt;/b&gt;, the protoform would be &lt;b&gt;*perd-&lt;/b&gt;, which I consider a Wanderwort from Semitic &lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/semet&amp;amp;text_number=+223&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*pVrd- (˜ *parad&lt;sup&gt;ʕ&lt;/sup&gt;/z-)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt; 'an equid'.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;A similar root&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/semet&amp;amp;text_number=2647&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*bVrdʕ- ˜ *barz/dʕ-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;'mule, horse' is the origin of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Late Latin &lt;b&gt;burdus &lt;/b&gt;'mule' and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;būr(r)icus&lt;/b&gt; 'donkey, small horse' (a diminutive form which suggests an assimilated variant &lt;b&gt;*burrus&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Interestingly enough, Latin &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;verēdus &lt;/b&gt;was &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;borrowed (through Greek &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;b&gt;béraidos, beredos&lt;/b&gt;) into Arabic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;barīd- &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;'express, courier' and similar forms in other Semitic languages, thus contributing to the widespread confusion &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;about these roots.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;__________________________________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Delamarre (2008): &lt;i&gt;Dictionnaire de la langue gauloise&lt;/i&gt;, p. 314.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-1350225582279182896?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/1350225582279182896/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=1350225582279182896&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/1350225582279182896'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/1350225582279182896'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2011/03/semitic-horse-wanderwort.html' title='A Semitic &apos;horse&apos; Wanderwort'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HvBCrzy2-7s/TTYS3iC_knI/AAAAAAAAADs/AGjxmcLfHMw/s72-c/Kluge.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-3391923051710126477</id><published>2010-12-29T14:20:00.010+01:00</published><updated>2010-12-30T10:31:29.590+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Aquitanian inscriptions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Proto-Basque'/><title type='text'>A confusion of rhotics</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Most personal names and theonyms found in Latin inscriptions from the old region of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquitaine"&gt;Aquitaine&lt;/a&gt; correspond to an early form of Basque commonly referred as Proto-Basque by &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Vascologists&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;. However, some of these names have been wrongly interpreted due to an imperfect reading of rhotics&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;: while the flap /&lt;b&gt;r&lt;/b&gt;/ &amp;lt;&lt;b&gt;r&lt;/b&gt;&amp;gt; is usually written as &lt;b&gt;RH&lt;/b&gt;, the trill /&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ŕ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;/ &amp;lt;&lt;b&gt;rr&lt;/b&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;can be either &lt;b&gt;R&lt;/b&gt; or &lt;b&gt;RR&lt;/b&gt;. Thus reading &lt;b&gt;R&lt;/b&gt; as /&lt;b&gt;r&lt;/b&gt;/ instead of the actual /&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ŕ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;/ is a mistake many Vascologists have made.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;For example, the Aquitanian theonym &lt;b&gt;HERAVSCORRITSEHE&lt;/b&gt;, usually interpreted as containing a first member &lt;b&gt;herau&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ś&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt; corresponding to modern Basque &lt;b&gt;herauts&lt;/b&gt; 'boar', but this is inexact. Firstly, this word is actually one of the variants of a word &lt;b&gt;*enau&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ś(i), *inau&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ś(i) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;whose meaning is 'heat of sow' or 'sow/female boar in heat' and whose modern forms&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; display two alternative results from a former &lt;b&gt;*n&lt;/b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;. The correct reading is &lt;b&gt;he&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ŕaus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;, which corresponds to modern Basque &lt;b&gt;errauts&lt;/b&gt; 'ash' (a compound of &lt;b&gt;erre&lt;/b&gt; 'to burn' and &lt;b&gt;hauts&lt;/b&gt; 'dust')&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;Another example is the anthroponym &lt;b&gt;LAVRCO&lt;/b&gt;, whose first element&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt; is commonly interpreted as the numeral &lt;b&gt;lau(r)&lt;/b&gt; '4' (with a flap /&lt;b&gt;r&lt;/b&gt;/), when it's actually &lt;b&gt;lau&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ŕ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;(with a trill /&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ŕ/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;. This corresponds to modern Basque &lt;b&gt;labur&lt;/b&gt; 'short'&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;, so in this case the Aquitanian form corresponds to Iberian and not to Proto-Basque&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;__________________________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;b&gt;herause, eresu, (h)erüsi, heusi, iñaus, iraus, i(h)ausi, irausi, irusi&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; According to our own interpretation, the regular shift &lt;b&gt;-n-&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;-0- &lt;/b&gt;in Basque (as well as in Gascon and Portuguese) is consequence of an adstrate influence, while the comparatively rare &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;-n-&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;-r-&lt;/b&gt; is part of its own Iberian pedigree.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; This was first proposed by &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Schuchardt"&gt;Hugo&amp;nbsp; Schuchardt&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; Also found in Iberian anthroponyms. The second element is the diminutive suffix &lt;b&gt;-ko&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;The form &lt;b&gt;laur&lt;/b&gt; is only found in the Baztanese dialect.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;Iberian has &lt;b&gt;*bu&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;u&lt;/b&gt; while Basque has &lt;b&gt;*bo&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;o&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-3391923051710126477?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/3391923051710126477/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=3391923051710126477&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/3391923051710126477'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/3391923051710126477'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/12/confusion-of-rothics.html' title='A confusion of rhotics'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-260655111220713662</id><published>2010-11-08T13:59:00.014+01:00</published><updated>2011-10-15T09:49:57.550+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Etruscan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>A bad purchase</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0060:entry%3Demo"&gt;emō&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'to buy' is an output of IE &lt;b&gt;*H&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;em- &lt;/b&gt;'to take, to distribute', a root also found in Celtic and Balto-Slavic. The "laryngeal" &lt;b&gt;*&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;H&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; is reconstructed to account for initial &lt;b&gt;i- &lt;/b&gt;in&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Balto-Slavic&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;(Lithuanian &lt;b&gt;imù&lt;/b&gt;, Old Church Slavonic &lt;b&gt;im&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;ǫ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;). However, given its scarce attestation, the likelihood of this being a non-native IE root is high.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;In his own &lt;a href="http://paleoglot.blogspot.com/2010/11/taking-away-another-root.html"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;, Glen Gordon proposes this root to be a recent (early 1st millennium BCE) borrowing from a supposed Etrusco-Rhaetic [sic] verb &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*em&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; 'to take', which apparently appears as &lt;b&gt;-em &lt;/b&gt;in Etruscan numerals like &lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ci-em zaθrum&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; '17', literally '3 from 20', much like Latin &lt;b&gt;duo-de-viginti &lt;/b&gt;'18', lit. '2 from 20'.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Unfortunately, Gordon confuses what is clearly a &lt;i&gt;postposition &lt;/i&gt;with a verb, and for making his point stronger, he notices two instances of the presumed past form &lt;b&gt;*em-e &lt;/b&gt;in the &lt;i&gt;scriptio continua &lt;/i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;nac&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;eme&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;uruiθalθileniθaliχ&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;eme&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;mesnamertanśinamulu &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; font-weight: normal;"&gt;(TLE 366). Unfortunately, he doesn't give us a proper segmentation of the &lt;i&gt;whole&lt;/i&gt; inscription.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; font-weight: normal;"&gt;Given the inadequacy of this proposal, we must find a better one. A Vasco-Caucasian loanword from PNC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1852&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*&lt;b&gt;HVqqVn- (˜ -m-)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'to take, to snatch', which gives Basque &lt;b&gt;k(h)en-du &lt;/b&gt;'to take away; to ask for a price' (Bengtson) and also Etruscan &lt;b&gt;cen- &lt;/b&gt;'to get, to buy', whose participle &lt;b&gt;cen-u&lt;/b&gt; 'got, bought' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;is found in some inscriptions (Perugia Cippus, Tabula Cortonensis), seems likely.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;A note to readers (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;caveat emptor&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;): don't buy crackpot theories.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-260655111220713662?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/260655111220713662/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=260655111220713662&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/260655111220713662'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/260655111220713662'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/11/bad-purchase.html' title='A bad purchase'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-9119184074452571966</id><published>2010-10-30T20:36:00.016+02:00</published><updated>2011-07-29T23:10:21.124+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Iberian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><title type='text'>Iberian anthroponyms</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Even before complete decipherment of the&amp;nbsp;Iberian scripts was achieved by Gómez Moreno in  1922, the&amp;nbsp;structure of the&amp;nbsp;Iberian anthroponyms had been known since the  finding of the &lt;a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronce_de_Ascoli"&gt;Ascoli's Bronze Plate&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;near Rome in 1908. This is a list of Iberian soldiers which formed the &lt;i&gt;Turma Salluitana&lt;/i&gt; (an auxiliary horse troop which fought to the side of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompeius_Strabo"&gt;Pompeius Strabo&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in the Allies' War) and&amp;nbsp;to whom Roman citizenship was granted. The names appear in the form of &lt;i&gt;praenomen &lt;/i&gt;(first name) and &lt;i&gt;cognomen &lt;/i&gt;(last name): X son of Y.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Although  this inscription allowed epigraphists to identify personal names in Iberian texts as soon as they could been read, it's far from being&amp;nbsp;an  equivalent of the&amp;nbsp;Rossetta stone&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;.&amp;nbsp;M&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ost  Iberian anthroponyms are compounds of two members, either two nouns or a  noun and an adjective. This structure is similar to&amp;nbsp;the one&amp;nbsp;of Celtic  or Germanic anthroponymy, whose speakers were also warfare aristocracies  of the Iron Age&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Examples of Iberian anthroponyms:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Baise-bilos, Bilos-baiser &lt;/b&gt;'Solitary Eagle'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Balke-bilos &lt;/b&gt;'Eagle's Eye'&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Bando-nius&lt;/b&gt; 'Chief's Horse'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Biu-nius &lt;/b&gt;'Chief's Mare'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Iskeŕ-adin, Adin-iskeŕ&lt;/b&gt; 'Old Hand'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Nios-iskeŕ, Iske-nius&lt;/b&gt; 'Chief's Hand'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sakaŕ-iskeŕ &lt;/b&gt;'Big Hand'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sosin-adin &lt;/b&gt;'Old Bull'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sosin-bilos&lt;/b&gt; 'Bull-Eagle'&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sosin-biuŕ&lt;/b&gt; 'Bull-Mare'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;The  apparent similarity of Iberian anthroponym elements with Basque words  has fueled countless amateurs to support the discredited &lt;i&gt;Vasco-Iberist&lt;/i&gt;  theory, which in its most extreme form equates Iberian with an  ancestral form of Basque,&amp;nbsp;so the modern language can be confidently used  to translate Iberian&amp;nbsp; texts&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;. This approach is absolutely &lt;i&gt;unscientific &lt;/i&gt;and rejected by serious specialists. The hard truth is that Basque alone is of little help to understand Iberian.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;However, with the aid of external comparison and a&amp;nbsp;patient research we have been able to open a breach on what it was an impenetrable wall &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;for many&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;. The first Iberian word whose etymology can be  surely stablished is &lt;b&gt;adin &lt;/b&gt;'mature, old' (PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ccauc%5Ccaucet&amp;amp;text_recno=2158&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*=Vd&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʑ&lt;/span&gt;V&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'to grow'&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt; + participle suffix &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ccauc%5Ccaucet&amp;amp;text_recno=2260&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*-nV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Iberian glossary&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;adin&lt;/b&gt; 'mature, old' ~ Basque &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;adin &lt;/b&gt;'age; judgement'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;baiser&lt;/b&gt; 'solitary' (Aquitanian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;baese-&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;balke &lt;/b&gt;'eye' &amp;lt; PNC&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;o:OfficeDocumentSettings&gt;   &lt;o:RelyOnVML/&gt;   &lt;o:AllowPNG/&gt;  &lt;/o:OfficeDocumentSettings&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:WordDocument&gt;   &lt;w:View&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:Zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:HyphenationZone&gt;21&lt;/w:HyphenationZone&gt;   &lt;w:PunctuationKerning/&gt;   &lt;w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/&gt;   &lt;w:SaveIfXMLInvalid&gt;false&lt;/w:SaveIfXMLInvalid&gt; 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mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;}&lt;/style&gt; &lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=++34&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;ʡ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;wil&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;ʡ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; 'eye'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;bando &lt;/b&gt;'horse'&lt;sup&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt; ~ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Basque &lt;b&gt;mando &lt;/b&gt;'mule'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;9&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;biki &lt;/b&gt;'cow' ~&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Basque &lt;b&gt;behi &lt;/b&gt;'cow'&lt;sup&gt;10&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;bilos&lt;/b&gt; 'eagle, bird of prey' ~ Latin &lt;b&gt;mīluus&lt;/b&gt; 'kite'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;bi-o-s&lt;/b&gt; 'heart' ~ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Basque &lt;b&gt;bi-ho-tz &lt;/b&gt;'heart'&lt;sup&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;bi-uŕ &lt;/b&gt;'mare' ~ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Basque &lt;b&gt;be-hor &lt;/b&gt;'mare'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;is-keŕ&lt;/b&gt; 'hand'&lt;sup&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt; ~ Spanish &lt;b&gt;garra &lt;/b&gt;'claw' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;niś&lt;/b&gt; 'girl'&lt;sup&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt; ~ Basque &lt;b&gt;nes-ka&lt;/b&gt; 'girl' (Aquitanian &lt;b&gt;nes-ka-to&lt;/b&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;nios, nius&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;'chief'&lt;sup&gt;15&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;śani &lt;/b&gt;'boy'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; ~ Basque&lt;b&gt; sehi, sein &lt;/b&gt;'boy, servant'&lt;sup&gt;16&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;sakaŕ &lt;/b&gt;'big&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;' ~ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Basque &lt;b&gt;zahar &lt;/b&gt;'old' (formerly 'big')&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;17&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;saldu &lt;/b&gt;'horse' ~ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Basque &lt;b&gt;zaldi &lt;/b&gt;'horse'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;sosin&lt;/b&gt; 'bull (Aquitanian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;soson&lt;/b&gt;) ~ Basque &lt;b&gt;zezen &lt;/b&gt;'bull'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;tautin&lt;/b&gt; 'noble' ~&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Aquitanian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;hauten&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; 'noble', Basque &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;hauta&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; 'election, elite'&lt;sup&gt;19&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;_________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Unfortunately, bilingual texts are very scanty and often incomplete&amp;nbsp;due to&amp;nbsp;breaking of the material support (ussualy stone).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;This is a quite different&amp;nbsp;picture from the one commonly found in schoolbooks, which present Iberians as peaceful traders.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Found in the Latinized form &lt;b&gt;Mandonius&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; Found in the Latinized form &lt;b&gt;Sosimilos&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; Good examples of Vasco-Iberist crackpots in Spanish literature are&amp;nbsp;Juan Luis Román del Cerro and Jorge Alonso García. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt; The native Basque output of this root is &lt;b&gt;hazi &lt;/b&gt;'to grow; seed'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;7&amp;nbsp; &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;A compund from &lt;b&gt;*wa-&lt;/b&gt; 'this' &amp;lt; PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=2310&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʔ&lt;/span&gt;u (˜ *hu)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'demonstrative pronoun (that)' and&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=2293&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*-id&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʑ&lt;/span&gt;V&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'self, oneself'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Iberian ortography doesn't differentiate between /&lt;b&gt;b&lt;/b&gt;/ and /&lt;b&gt;m&lt;/b&gt;/.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;9&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; Borrowed from &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Celtic &lt;b&gt;*mandu &lt;/b&gt;'young animal; horse', an Altaic Wanderwort.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;10&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;A West Europe substrate item &lt;b&gt;*bekko&lt;/b&gt; &amp;lt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;PNC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ccauc%5Ccaucet&amp;amp;text_recno=258&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*bHe:mt&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɬɬɨ&lt;/span&gt; (˜ -u,-i)&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'deer, mountain goat'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;11&lt;/sup&gt; PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=++55&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*jerk’wi&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'heart'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;12&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="ttp://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1105&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*q’&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɦ&lt;/span&gt;weɫV:/*q’weɫ&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɦ&lt;/span&gt;V:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'large female domestic animal (cow, mare)'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt; &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;13&lt;/sup&gt; The first element is from &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=2314&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;*tsH&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Arial Unicode MS&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;ə&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;'one'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;14&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1745&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*nusA (˜ -o-)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'daughter-in-law'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;15&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ccauc%5Ccaucet&amp;amp;text_recno=1749&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*n&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɨ&lt;/span&gt;wts(w)A:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'prince, ruler; bride-groom'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;16&lt;/sup&gt; PNC &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ccauc%5Ccaucet&amp;amp;text_recno=73&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*ts’æn&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʔ&lt;/span&gt;V&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'new'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;17&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;PNC &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ccauc%5Ccaucet&amp;amp;text_recno=5&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*t&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʃ&lt;/span&gt;’&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ǝ&lt;/span&gt;qwV&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'big'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;18&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;PIE &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+296&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*g&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;(w)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;Ald-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'foal, young of an ass', with assibilation (palatalization) of the initial velar&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;.&lt;sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;19&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Celtic &lt;b&gt;*toutā&lt;/b&gt; 'people'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-9119184074452571966?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/9119184074452571966/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=9119184074452571966&amp;isPopup=true' title='28 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/9119184074452571966'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/9119184074452571966'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/10/iberian-anthroponyms.html' title='Iberian anthroponyms'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>28</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-9073492845640835813</id><published>2010-10-16T23:28:00.019+02:00</published><updated>2011-09-06T11:52:12.640+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Eurasiatic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Uralic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wanderwort'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='substrate loanword'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Semitic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Spanish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>De las setas a los labios</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/TLoB51lYYWI/AAAAAAAAADg/q-CpjLd6LCo/s1600/Las+setas.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/TLoB51lYYWI/AAAAAAAAADg/q-CpjLd6LCo/s320/Las+setas.jpg" width="229" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;De acuerdo con el diccionario etimológico de Coromines, el español &lt;b&gt;seta&lt;/b&gt; es "&lt;i&gt;de origen incierto, quizás del griego &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;sēpta &lt;/b&gt;'cosas podridas' (neutro plural de &lt;b&gt;sēptós &lt;/b&gt;'podrido'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;)&lt;/i&gt;". Sin embargo, existe también la variante &lt;b&gt;jeta &lt;/b&gt;'hocico, morro' (antiguamente &lt;b&gt;xeta&lt;/b&gt;), que se aleja mucho de este significado y nos acerca al de 'labio, excrecencia'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Esto nos remite a la raíz semítica &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/semet&amp;amp;text_number=+101&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɬ&lt;/span&gt;a(n)p-(at-)&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'labio'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;cuyas formas en arameo &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;septā, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;siptā&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;se aproximan a las que cabría esperar como origen de &lt;b&gt;seta &lt;/b&gt;y del euskera &lt;b&gt;ziza&lt;/b&gt;, de idéntico significado&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode" style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;La voz semítica es a su vez cognata de &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;la raíz de sustrato IE &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*leb-&lt;/b&gt; 'labio' (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;latín &lt;b&gt;l&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;brum&lt;/b&gt;, vulgar &lt;b&gt;l&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;a&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;bium&lt;/b&gt;, y germánico &lt;b&gt;*lip-&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;) y del &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;PNC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a class="postlink" href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+949&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*t&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɬ&lt;/span&gt;’a:npV&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'labio'. Con un resultado velar de la africada lateral, esta raíz pasó al afroasiático &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/afaset&amp;amp;text_number=+155&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*k/ganpVr-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'labio, morro' y al eurasiático &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*k&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;onbV&lt;/b&gt; 'labio, excrecencia blanda', reflejado en el &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;IE &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=1029&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*swombh-o-&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;(griego &lt;b&gt;somphós&lt;/b&gt; 'esponjoso', germánico &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/germet&amp;amp;text_number=+++685&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*swamma-/*swampu-/*sumpu-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'yesca'), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;altaico &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=1119&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*k`ómp[e]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'hongo' y urálico &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/uralic/uralet&amp;amp;text_number=1346&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*kómpV&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'seta, así como en el IE de sustrato&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*g(h)umb-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; 'bulto; cachete (mejilla, nalga)', que se encuentra en balto-eslávico y germánico.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Como palabra errante o "Wanderwort" &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;existe también una forma con metátesis &lt;b&gt;*bon&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;k&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;V&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;reflejada en el urálico &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/uralic/uralet&amp;amp;text_number=716&amp;amp;root_config"&gt;*paŋka&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'&lt;i&gt;Amanita muscaria&lt;/i&gt;', &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;hongo alucinógeno consumido en rituales chamánicos por lo menos hacia 4.000 aC&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;, así como en el griego &lt;b&gt;sphongós&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;'esponja' y &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;latín &lt;b&gt;fungus&lt;/b&gt; 'hongo, seta'. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;___________________________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; De ahí palabras como &lt;b&gt;sepsis&lt;/b&gt; o &lt;b&gt;antiséptico&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; Igualmente,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;&lt;b&gt;sapo&lt;/b&gt; proviene de la raíz semítica &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/semet&amp;amp;text_number=+169&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɬ&lt;/span&gt;’abb-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'una clase de lagartija'. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Con sibilante inicial debido a la ley de Fournet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Es significativo que en algunas lenguas urálicas &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;esta raíz diera lugar a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;la palabra 'ebrio'. En Cataluña existe una tradición de consumo de este hongo, y se dice que el arquitecto catalán Antoni Gaudí se sirvió de él para conseguir las visiones que luego plasmaba en las extraordinarias formas de su arquitectura.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-9073492845640835813?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/9073492845640835813/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=9073492845640835813&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/9073492845640835813'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/9073492845640835813'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/10/de-las-setas-los-labios.html' title='De las setas a los labios'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/TLoB51lYYWI/AAAAAAAAADg/q-CpjLd6LCo/s72-c/Las+setas.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-4820068023175141397</id><published>2010-07-01T11:07:00.185+02:00</published><updated>2010-11-25T15:13:16.403+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Romance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='semantic shift'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wanderwort'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Italoid'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='crackpot'/><title type='text'>Knives and ploughs</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div style="border: medium none;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;According to the traditional view, English &lt;b&gt;knife&lt;/b&gt;, from&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Germanic &lt;b&gt;*kn&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ī&lt;/span&gt;ba-z&lt;/b&gt; 'knife' (with no native IE etymology), is a &lt;i&gt;Wanderwort&lt;/i&gt; which spread from Old Norse into Old English and other Germanic languages,&amp;nbsp;as well as Old French &lt;b&gt;quenif, quanif &lt;/b&gt;'pocket knife', (and in diminutive form) Occitan &lt;b&gt;ganivet&lt;/b&gt;, Aragonese &lt;b&gt;cañivete&lt;/b&gt; and Basque &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;kanibet, ganibet, kanabita, gaiñibeta, ganabeta, kanit, gaminta&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;'penknife'. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div style="border: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div style="border: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/TCxPVouatrI/AAAAAAAAADQ/UPiJT2OHgio/s1600/Europa+Vasconica,+Europa+Semitica.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; height: 404px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; width: 268px;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" rw="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/TCxPVouatrI/AAAAAAAAADQ/UPiJT2OHgio/s1600/Europa+Vasconica,+Europa+Semitica.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;However, the German linguist Theo Vennemann&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; (see my earlier &lt;a href="http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/04/crackpots-in-action.html"&gt;post&lt;/a&gt;) reversed the propagation direction, considering Basque &lt;b&gt;kanibet&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;to be&amp;nbsp;the original form, as&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;a compound of &lt;b&gt;kana&lt;/b&gt; 'cane' (a loanword from Latin &lt;b&gt;canna&lt;/b&gt;) and &lt;b&gt;bedoi&lt;/b&gt; 'pruning shears'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;, a dialectal word of limited extension. But (unknowingly to him) the latter&amp;nbsp;is a loanword from Gaulish &lt;b&gt;uidubion&lt;/b&gt; 'hoe' (glossed as Latin &lt;b&gt;vidubium&lt;/b&gt;), a compound from &lt;b&gt;uidu-&lt;/b&gt; 'wood' and &lt;b&gt;-bion&lt;/b&gt; &amp;lt;&amp;nbsp;Celtic &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.indo-european.nl/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Cie%5Cceltic&amp;amp;text_recno=116&amp;amp;root=leiden"&gt;*bi-na-&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'to hit, strike' &amp;lt; IE &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=2058&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*b&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;ejH-&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;nbsp; This root is reflected in&amp;nbsp;Germanic&amp;nbsp;as &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/germet&amp;amp;text_number=++1372&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*b&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ī&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;́&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɵ&lt;/span&gt;la-, *bīdla-&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'knife, sword, ploughsare' &amp;gt; English &lt;b&gt;bill&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;My own proposal is&amp;nbsp;that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Latin &lt;b&gt;nov&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ā&lt;/span&gt;cula&lt;/b&gt; 'razor, knife' (Portughese &lt;b&gt;navalha&lt;/b&gt;, Spanish &lt;b&gt;navaja&lt;/b&gt;, Catalan &lt;b&gt;navalla&lt;/b&gt;, Aragonese &lt;b&gt;novalla&lt;/b&gt;) &amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;*kne-wa-tl&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ā&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;,&amp;nbsp;traditionally derived from&amp;nbsp;IE &lt;b&gt;*ksew-&lt;/b&gt; 'to rub, to whet'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;, is actually a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;reflex of IE &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Cie%5Cpiet&amp;amp;text_recno=1503&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*kneH&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'to scratch, to scrape'. This etymology can &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;also explain Basque &lt;b&gt;nabas- &lt;/b&gt;'plough' (in compounds)&lt;sup&gt;3 &lt;/sup&gt;&amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;*kn&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ā&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;-wa-z&lt;/b&gt; and Germanic&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;*kn&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ī&lt;/span&gt;ba-z&lt;/b&gt; &amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;*kn&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ē&lt;/span&gt;-wa-z&lt;/b&gt; as borrowings from some IE language (possibly&amp;nbsp;Italoid) where IE &lt;b&gt;*w&lt;/b&gt; gave &lt;b&gt;b&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;The semantic shift from 'knife' to 'plough' can also be observed in the descendants of Latin &lt;b&gt;culter&lt;/b&gt; 'knife' &amp;gt; Occitan &lt;b&gt;coltre&lt;/b&gt;, French &lt;b&gt;coutre&lt;/b&gt;, Italian &lt;b&gt;coltro&lt;/b&gt; 'ploughshare', Basque &lt;b&gt;golde&lt;/b&gt; 'plough', the original meaning being transferred to the diminutive &lt;b&gt;cultellum&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; Galician &lt;b&gt;coitelo&lt;/b&gt;, Spanish &lt;b&gt;cuchillo&lt;/b&gt;, Catalan &lt;b&gt;coltell&lt;/b&gt; 'knife' (the latter form&amp;nbsp;being displaced by &lt;b&gt;ganivet&lt;/b&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Another interesting Basque word is &lt;b&gt;saratu &lt;/b&gt;'to hoe', a loanword from IE &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=++1010&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*s&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;º&lt;/span&gt;rp-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'sickle; to cut' (Latin &lt;b&gt;sar(r)i&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ō&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'to hoe (vine)' &amp;lt; &lt;b&gt;*sarpi&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ō&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;______________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Zur Etymologie der Sippe von engl. &lt;i&gt;knife&lt;/i&gt;, franz. &lt;i&gt;canif&lt;/i&gt;, bask. &lt;i&gt;kanibet&lt;/i&gt;*, in &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://books.google.es/books?id=tyU1FymabrgC&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;dq=Europa+Vasconica,+Europa+Semitica&amp;amp;hl=es&amp;amp;ei=BE4sTPioLqihOOv47IYJ&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=1&amp;amp;ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=Zur%20Etymologie%20der%20Sippe&amp;amp;f=false"&gt;Europa Vasconica, Europa Semitica&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; (2003), pp. 427-452.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; Also Bearnese &lt;b&gt;bedui&lt;/b&gt;. See García de Diego, &lt;i&gt;Diccionario etimológico español e hispánico &lt;/i&gt;(1985), pp. 1063-1064.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Considered by many Indo-Europeanists to be an extension of IE &lt;b&gt;*k´es-&lt;/b&gt; 'to cut'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp; There is also the Bearnese hapax &lt;b&gt;naves&lt;/b&gt; '(large) knife'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-4820068023175141397?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/4820068023175141397/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=4820068023175141397&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4820068023175141397'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4820068023175141397'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/07/knives-and-ploughs.html' title='Knives and ploughs'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/TCxPVouatrI/AAAAAAAAADQ/UPiJT2OHgio/s72-c/Europa+Vasconica,+Europa+Semitica.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-6418642483073812452</id><published>2010-05-23T12:39:00.066+02:00</published><updated>2011-01-09T20:57:07.760+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Aragonese'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Catalan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Spanish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gascon'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dentalization'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>Desenredando el ovillo</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Contrariamente a la que piensan filólogos como &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Coromines, el castellano &lt;b&gt;copo&lt;/b&gt; 'mechón de cáñamo, lana, lino, algodón u otra materia que está en disposición de hilarse; grumo, coágulo' no tiene nada que ver con &lt;b&gt;copa&lt;/b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;, sino con la raíz IE &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/pokorny&amp;amp;text_number=1757&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*(s)keup-&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;'mechón, copete, borla', una isoglosa del germánico y eslávico.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;De esta misma etimología proviene también el euskera &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;kofa, koba &lt;/b&gt;'especie de pelota que se forma en los colchones [de lana] y en el cabello; cogollo [de hortalizas]'.&lt;/span&gt; Y con vocalismo /&lt;b&gt;a&lt;/b&gt;/ tenemos el &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;catalán &lt;b&gt;cabdell&lt;/b&gt; 'ovillo; cogollo [de hortalizas]', una forma diminutiva &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*kapU-t-ellU&lt;/b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;, así como el euskera &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;kamu&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; (R), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;kanu&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; (R), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;kanü&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; (Z) 'pelota de lana', con nasalización de la labial.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Con un significado similar tenemos el catalán &lt;b&gt;tofa&lt;/b&gt; y el francés&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;touffe &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'espesura (de cabellos, follaje, limaduras)', posiblemente relacionadas con el latín &lt;b&gt;tūfa &lt;/b&gt;'cresta de plumas en el casco', un extranjerismo según los autores clásicos. El diccionario &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;etimológico francés de Bloch-Wartburg relaciona &lt;b&gt;touffe &lt;/b&gt;con &lt;b&gt;toupet&lt;/b&gt; 'flequillo', préstamo del fráncico &lt;b&gt;*top&lt;/b&gt; 'mechón',(alemán&lt;b&gt; Zopf&lt;/b&gt;), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;a través de una variedad alto-alemana (en concreto el alemánico) donde supuestamente el paso &lt;b&gt;p &lt;/b&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;b&gt; pf &lt;/b&gt;se habría producido antes que &lt;b&gt;t&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;z&lt;/b&gt;. En todo caso, no existe etimología IE para esta palabra, pero podemos encontrar un cognato en el altaico &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=2346&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*t`èp`á&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;'mechón de pelo'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;A&amp;nbsp;partir del&amp;nbsp;IE &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+309&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*geup-&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'cueva, madriguera, mina'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;se deriva el castellano &lt;b&gt;copo&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;(de nieve, cereales) y el euskera &lt;b&gt;kofa &lt;/b&gt;'(hueco de) árbol podrido', formas homónimas de las reseñadas anteriormente. Y del IE &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+++201&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*dheub-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'profundo' tenemos el&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;catalán &lt;b&gt;tofa &lt;/b&gt;'masa esponjosa' (&lt;b&gt;tofa de neu&lt;/b&gt; = &lt;b&gt;copo de nieve&lt;/b&gt;), &lt;b&gt;tou &lt;/b&gt;'poroso, esponjoso, blando'&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;gascón &lt;b&gt;toua&lt;/b&gt; 'cavidad; abrigo bajo una roca; cavidad donde desaparece un río', &lt;b&gt;tou&lt;/b&gt; 'cavidad; hueco', aragonés &lt;b&gt;toba&lt;/b&gt; 'gruta entre rocas', &lt;b&gt;tobo&lt;/b&gt; 'cavidad'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;______________ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Del latín vulgar &lt;b&gt;cuppa&lt;/b&gt;. Una palabra errante (Wanderwort) que se encuentra también en el euskera &lt;b&gt;kopa &lt;/b&gt;(S, R)&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'cuezo pequeño', (B) 'estuche en que el segador tiene la piedra de afilar', (G) 'cesto pequeño que se lleva al hombro', y el &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;alemán&lt;b&gt; Kopf&lt;/b&gt; 'cabeza' (donde desplazó al nativo &lt;b&gt;Haupt&lt;/b&gt; ~ latín &lt;b&gt;caput&lt;/b&gt;, y cuyo origen último es el PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1539&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*gæp’e:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'una clase de vasija'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Con &lt;b&gt;-t-&lt;/b&gt; infija como en &lt;b&gt;cafe-t-illo&lt;/b&gt;, diminutivo de &lt;b&gt;café&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3 &lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Al igual que en túrquico, en el germánico &lt;b&gt;*tuppa-z &lt;/b&gt;se ha producido una colisión entre los significados 'mechón' y 'montaña, cima' (p.ej. inglés &lt;b&gt;top&lt;/b&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Reflejado también en el latín &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;clásico &lt;b&gt;cavus&lt;/b&gt; 'hueco, vacío'. El romance &lt;b&gt;*cova&lt;/b&gt; (castellano &lt;b&gt;cueva&lt;/b&gt;, catalán &lt;b&gt;cova&lt;/b&gt;, euskera &lt;b&gt;koba&lt;/b&gt;, etc.) es un germanismo.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; Habitualmente relacionados con el latín vulgar &lt;b&gt;tōfa&lt;/b&gt; (clásico &lt;b&gt;tōfus&lt;/b&gt;) 'caliza porosa', representado por ejemplo en el catalán &lt;b&gt;tofa&lt;/b&gt; 'ladrillo sin cocer, secado al sol'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-6418642483073812452?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/6418642483073812452/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=6418642483073812452&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/6418642483073812452'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/6418642483073812452'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/05/desenredando-el-ovillo.html' title='Desenredando el ovillo'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-9067907912545058257</id><published>2010-05-03T13:42:00.020+02:00</published><updated>2010-05-23T11:36:19.129+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pyrenaic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Catalan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='French'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Spanish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>Some wrong Spanish etymologies</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S96t8tXHuaI/AAAAAAAAAC4/0Fa_6PsDBqQ/s1600/Coromines.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S96t8tXHuaI/AAAAAAAAAC4/0Fa_6PsDBqQ/s320/Coromines.jpg" tt="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Some Coromines' Spanish etymologies (the ones found in the &lt;a href="http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/"&gt;DRAE&lt;/a&gt; are&amp;nbsp;generally&amp;nbsp;nastier) enjoy a greater credit&amp;nbsp;than they actually deserve. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;For example, if we look&amp;nbsp;at &lt;strong&gt;cerrar &lt;/strong&gt;'to close, shut' in his &lt;em&gt;Breve diccionario etimológico de la lengua castellana&lt;/em&gt;, we can see he&amp;nbsp;derives it&amp;nbsp;from late Latin &lt;strong&gt;*serare &lt;/strong&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;Latin &lt;strong&gt;sera&lt;/strong&gt; 'bolt, lock', in spite that Spanish /&lt;strong&gt;c&lt;/strong&gt;/ (in the Middle Ages a dental affricate [&lt;strong&gt;ts&lt;/strong&gt;] and now an interdental fricative [&lt;strong&gt;θ&lt;/strong&gt;]) can't&amp;nbsp;come from Latin /&lt;strong&gt;s&lt;/strong&gt;/. He denies elsewhere any relationship between this word and Catalan &lt;strong&gt;serrar&lt;/strong&gt;, French &lt;strong&gt;serrer &lt;/strong&gt;'to tighten', although&amp;nbsp;they fit&amp;nbsp;both phonetically (as [&lt;strong&gt;ts&lt;/strong&gt;] &amp;gt; [&lt;strong&gt;s&lt;/strong&gt;] in these languages) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;and semantically (the meanings 'closed' and 'tight, dense' are related). The answer is all these words&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;are Pyrenaic (a Vasco-Caucasian substrate language) loanwords from the PNC root &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1801&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*=ut&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɕ&lt;/span&gt;E(rV)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'thick, fat'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Another weird etymology is &lt;strong&gt;jara &lt;/strong&gt;'rockrose (&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cistus"&gt;Cistus&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;)', a kind of bush common in the Iberian Peninsula which Coromines derives from Arabic &lt;strong&gt;ša&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;c&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;ra&lt;/strong&gt; 'low bush', where [&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ʃ&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;] /&lt;strong&gt;x&lt;/strong&gt;/ regularly developed into [&lt;strong&gt;χ&lt;/strong&gt;] /&lt;strong&gt;j&lt;/strong&gt;/. Apparently, he ignores Basque &lt;strong&gt;zare &lt;/strong&gt;'basket' and &lt;strong&gt;(t)xara &lt;/strong&gt;'rockrose (wood)', a&amp;nbsp;word of Pyrenaic origin for which Bengtson suggests an etymology from PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1263&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*t&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ʃ&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;ʃ&lt;/span&gt;’w&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɦ&lt;/span&gt;eli (˜ t&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɕ&lt;/span&gt;’&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɕ&lt;/span&gt;’,-&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ʕ&lt;/span&gt;-,-&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɫ&lt;/span&gt;-)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'a k. of foliage tree'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;. The palatized form &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;would have been&amp;nbsp;borrowed&amp;nbsp;into Spanish&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;xara&lt;/strong&gt;,&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;then &lt;strong&gt;jara&lt;/strong&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;_________&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; There's also Basque (Biscayan) &lt;strong&gt;zarri &lt;/strong&gt;'dense', &lt;strong&gt;zarra-tu &lt;/strong&gt;'dense; to close, shut'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; Related to&amp;nbsp;Paleo-Eurasian &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/nostr/nostret&amp;amp;text_number=+183&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*t&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ʃ&lt;/span&gt;walV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'willow', a root represented in Paleo-European &lt;strong&gt;*sal(i)k-&lt;/strong&gt; 'willow' (Celtic &lt;strong&gt;*salik-&lt;/strong&gt;, Latin &lt;strong&gt;salix&lt;/strong&gt;,&lt;strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;Germanic &lt;strong&gt;*salx-&lt;/strong&gt;) and native IE &lt;strong&gt;*welik-&lt;/strong&gt; 'willow' (Greek &lt;strong&gt;helíkē&lt;/strong&gt;, English &lt;strong&gt;willow&lt;/strong&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-9067907912545058257?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/9067907912545058257/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=9067907912545058257&amp;isPopup=true' title='15 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/9067907912545058257'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/9067907912545058257'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/05/more-wrong-spanish-etymologies.html' title='Some wrong Spanish etymologies'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S96t8tXHuaI/AAAAAAAAAC4/0Fa_6PsDBqQ/s72-c/Coromines.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>15</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-951736064929769833</id><published>2010-05-01T16:17:00.165+02:00</published><updated>2010-06-23T14:03:47.557+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Thracian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lithuanian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kartvelian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='North Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greek'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Italoid'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paleo-Eurasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>Strawberry fields forever</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Starostin reconstructs a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Paleo-Eurasian root &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/nostr/nostret&amp;amp;text_number=1118&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*NEk’rV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'thorny bush' &amp;gt; Altaic &lt;strong&gt;*ńíkrV&lt;/strong&gt; 'a k. of thorny tree', from which I derive &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Paleo-European &lt;strong&gt;*ag´&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;º&lt;/span&gt;r-&lt;/strong&gt; (Gaulish &lt;strong&gt;agraniō-&lt;/strong&gt; 'sloe, fruit of the blackthorn', English &lt;strong&gt;acorn&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;, Latin &lt;strong&gt;agresta&lt;/strong&gt; 'green grape', Greek &lt;strong&gt;ágrios&lt;/strong&gt; 'wild'), with loss of the initial nasal. Its IE native counterpart would be &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*d&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;reg´&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;- &lt;/strong&gt;'sloetree, blackthorn'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; (Celtic &lt;strong&gt;*dragenā&lt;/strong&gt; 'sloe, fruit of the blackthorn'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;, Albanian &lt;strong&gt;drédhë &lt;/strong&gt;'strawberry'). Greek &lt;strong&gt;hrá:ks, hró:ks&lt;/strong&gt; 'grape' &amp;lt; &lt;strong&gt;*srāg-&lt;/strong&gt;, is probably a Thracian loanword from the same root.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Paleo-Eurasian &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/nostr/nostret&amp;amp;text_number=+892&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*bVrdzV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'thorn'&amp;nbsp;is the origin of&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Kartvelian&lt;strong&gt; &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/kart/kartet&amp;amp;text_number=++37&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*bar&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;dz&lt;/span&gt;g-/*burdzg(a)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'thorn, thorny plant'. The sibilant &lt;strong&gt;*dz&lt;/strong&gt; is reflexed as &lt;strong&gt;*g´&lt;/strong&gt; in IE&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=++2674&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*b&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;rag´-&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'strawberry' &amp;gt; Lithuanian &lt;strong&gt;brãškē&lt;/strong&gt; '&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_strawberry"&gt;garden strawberry&lt;/a&gt;', Latin &lt;strong&gt;frāgum &lt;/strong&gt;'strawberry'&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;as &lt;strong&gt;*g´&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; in&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;*wreH&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;g´&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;- &lt;/strong&gt;'thorn' &amp;gt; Celtic&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*wragi- &lt;/strong&gt;'needle', Lithuanian &lt;strong&gt;rãžas &lt;/strong&gt;'dry stalk, stubble; pronk of fork', Greek &lt;strong&gt;hrákhos&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;'thorn-hedge', &lt;strong&gt;hrákhis&lt;/strong&gt; 'spine, backbone'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Altaic &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=1516&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*núŕi (˜ -e)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;'a k. of berry, grape'&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; is related to&amp;nbsp;Hittite &lt;strong&gt;muri- &lt;/strong&gt;'(bunch) of grapes' and IE &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*moro- &lt;/strong&gt;'blackberry'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;_________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Indo-Europeanists usually group this with Lithuanian &lt;strong&gt;uga&lt;/strong&gt; 'berry', Old Church Slavic &lt;strong&gt;jagoda&lt;/strong&gt; 'fruit', &lt;strong&gt;vin-jaga&lt;/strong&gt; 'grape', but I prefer to group the Balto-Slavic forms with Latin &lt;strong&gt;ūva&lt;/strong&gt; 'grape', thus reconstructing &lt;strong&gt;*H&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;3&lt;/span&gt;g&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;wh&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;-ā &lt;/strong&gt;'berry'.&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; Found (with simplification of the initial cluster) in Basque &lt;strong&gt;lahar, nahar&lt;/strong&gt; '&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubus_fruticosus"&gt;blackberry (&lt;em&gt;Rubus fructicosus&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhamnus_cathartica"&gt;buckthorn (&lt;em&gt;Rhamnus cathartica&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhamnus_cathartica"&gt;caltrop (&lt;em&gt;Tribulus terrestris&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;/a&gt;'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Related to this is&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;*d&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;ren-&lt;/strong&gt; 'cornel cherry' (Old High German &lt;strong&gt;dirn-baum&lt;/strong&gt;, Russian &lt;strong&gt;derën&lt;/strong&gt;) ~ &lt;strong&gt;*t&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;º&lt;/span&gt;rnu-&lt;/strong&gt; 'thorn'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; Usually though to be derivated from &lt;strong&gt;*srāg-&lt;/strong&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;French &lt;strong&gt;fraise, &lt;/strong&gt;Spanish&lt;strong&gt; fresa &lt;/strong&gt;'strawberry'&amp;nbsp;is probably an Italoid loanword from the same root (Italoid&amp;nbsp;is a "satem" language with&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;*b&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;-&lt;/strong&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;strong&gt;f-&lt;/strong&gt; like&amp;nbsp;Latin). Basque has &lt;strong&gt;araga &lt;/strong&gt;'strawberry' and &lt;strong&gt;arakatz &lt;/strong&gt;'&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gooseberry"&gt;gooseberry&lt;/a&gt;'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; Notice than the supposed&amp;nbsp;Korean cognate &lt;strong&gt;*nùrúk &lt;/strong&gt;'yeast' presented in the database doesn't&amp;nbsp;correspond to this root but to &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?&amp;amp;single=1&amp;amp;root=config&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet.dbf&amp;amp;text_recno=1491"&gt;*ńjuŕge&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;'a k. of weed' &amp;lt; Paleo-Eurasian &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/nostr/nostret&amp;amp;text_number=1976&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*nUŕV&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;'grain, corn'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-951736064929769833?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/951736064929769833/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=951736064929769833&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/951736064929769833'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/951736064929769833'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/05/strawberry-fields-forever.html' title='Strawberry fields forever'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-8736545074157835027</id><published>2010-04-30T12:16:00.010+02:00</published><updated>2010-05-07T11:26:55.690+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>El roble y el haya</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;El IE regional del NW (no PIE) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*perk&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;w&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;- &lt;/strong&gt;tiene aparentemente dos formas, una masculina 'roble'&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;(latín &lt;strong&gt;quercus &lt;/strong&gt;'roble, encina') y otra femenina 'pino'&amp;nbsp;(inglés &lt;strong&gt;fir &lt;/strong&gt;'abeto'). Se trata&amp;nbsp;de&amp;nbsp;un préstamo (&lt;em&gt;loanword&lt;/em&gt;) vasco-caucásico a partir del PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+149&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*χwɨrkkV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'árbol, roble', con &lt;strong&gt;*χw&lt;/strong&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;strong&gt;*p&lt;/strong&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;El PIE &lt;strong&gt;*b&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;eH&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;g´o-&lt;/strong&gt; 'haya' (latín &lt;strong&gt;fāgus&lt;/strong&gt; 'haya', griego &lt;strong&gt;phēgos&lt;/strong&gt; 'roble', ruso &lt;strong&gt;buz&lt;/strong&gt; 'olmo') es también de origen vasco-caucásico a partir del PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1258&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*mħoqqwe (˜ -ʕ-)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;'roble'. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Efectivamente, t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;al y como propuso Starostin en un viejo &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/Texts/iecauc.pdf"&gt;artículo&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;l PIE contiene un buen número de préstamos vasco-caucásicos&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; de época neolítica. Las correspondencias fonéticas entre éstos y el PNC sugieren&amp;nbsp;una única&amp;nbsp;lengua de origen, que tendría características como:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;1) PNC &lt;strong&gt;*w-&lt;/strong&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;strong&gt;b-&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;en posición inicial.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;2) PNC &lt;strong&gt;*l/*r&lt;/strong&gt; caen&amp;nbsp;en ciertos&amp;nbsp;grupos consonánticos (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;clusters&lt;/em&gt;). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;3) PNC &lt;strong&gt;*l&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;gt; &lt;strong&gt;r&lt;/strong&gt; intervocálicamente y ante consonantes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;4) Una transformación&amp;nbsp;del sistema vocálico del PNC que implica la delabialización&amp;nbsp;de PNC &lt;strong&gt;*o&lt;/strong&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;_______________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Hay que aclarar que el proto norcaucásico (PNC) reconstruído por&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Starostin y Nikolayev es una entidad mucho más antigua que lo que aparentemente se podría pensar, y por tanto, más próxima a lo que sería el auténtico proto-vasco-caucásico, aunque Starostin&amp;nbsp;nunca&amp;nbsp;in&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;cluyó&amp;nbsp;el euskera ni la hipótesis vasco-caucásica&amp;nbsp;en sus investigaciones.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-8736545074157835027?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/8736545074157835027/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=8736545074157835027&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/8736545074157835027'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/8736545074157835027'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/04/el-roble-y-el-haya.html' title='El roble y el haya'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-5719933857744289072</id><published>2010-04-29T11:31:00.022+02:00</published><updated>2010-05-23T11:40:16.191+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pyrenaic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greek'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Spanish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>Cuencas y cuencos</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Este juego de palabras me sirve de excusa para (por primera vez en la historia de este blog) no utilizar la&amp;nbsp;lengua&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt; de los yanquis, en la que por otra parte a veces se me hace pesado escribir. Así que mis lectores anglófonos me van a disculpar si les exijo un pequeño esfuerzo (&lt;em&gt;a little effort&lt;/em&gt;)&amp;nbsp;al leer estas líneas.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S9lD1vpDinI/AAAAAAAAACw/mac2GFQbdCE/s1600/Coromines.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S9lD1vpDinI/AAAAAAAAACw/mac2GFQbdCE/s320/Coromines.jpg" tt="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Recientemente, RBA-Gredos ha tenido a bien obsequiarnos con la reimpresión (2008: tapa blanda, 2010: tapa dura) de la 3ª edición (1973) del Breve diccionario etimológico de la lengua castellana de Joan Coromines, presentado por su antiguo colaborador José Antonio Pascual (autor del prólogo y co-autor del más extenso &lt;em&gt;Diccionario Crítico y Etimológico Castellano e Hispánico&lt;/em&gt;) como "la solución a los enigmas etimológicos más importantes de nuestra lengua". Lejor de ser así, muchas de las etimologías propuestas por el filólogo catalán resultan indefendibles hoy en día, pero a pesar de ello es posible que Coromines nos ayude a resolver algunos enigmas.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Así por ejemplo, Cormines deriva&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuenca_(accidente_geogr%C3%A1fico)"&gt;cuenca&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;(&lt;em&gt;basin&lt;/em&gt;) y &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuenco"&gt;cuenco&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;(&lt;em&gt;bowl&lt;/em&gt;) del latín &lt;strong&gt;concha &lt;/strong&gt;'concha de molusco' (&lt;em&gt;mussel-shell&lt;/em&gt;), a su vez préstamo del griego &lt;strong&gt;kóŋkhê&lt;/strong&gt; id. Esta etimología explicaría&amp;nbsp;el castellano regional de Álava &lt;strong&gt;canco, cauco &lt;/strong&gt;'hoyo que se abre en algunas&amp;nbsp;las hayas para que recojan el agua de lluvia', relacionado &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;con el euskera &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;kaiku &lt;/strong&gt;'cuenco de madera (para recoger la leche ordeñada)'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;, como forma pirenaica a partir de un antiguo &lt;strong&gt;**kanku&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;____________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Relacionada por los vascólogos con el latín tardío &lt;strong&gt;caucum&lt;/strong&gt; 'cuenco de madera' (&lt;em&gt;wooden bowl&lt;/em&gt;), posiblemente relacionado con el urálico &lt;strong&gt;*kawka &lt;/strong&gt;'comedero' (&lt;em&gt;trough&lt;/em&gt;) y el báltico &lt;strong&gt;*kaûʃ-a- &lt;/strong&gt;'cráneo, vasija' (&lt;em&gt;skull, vessel&lt;/em&gt;). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; Existe también el homómino &lt;strong&gt;kaiku&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;(S)&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;'aguileño/a' (&lt;em&gt;aquiline&lt;/em&gt;) como parte&amp;nbsp;del compuesto &lt;strong&gt;sudur-kaiku &lt;/strong&gt;'nariz aguileña' (&lt;em&gt;aquiline nose&lt;/em&gt;), a partir del IE &lt;strong&gt;*ko(n)g-&lt;/strong&gt; 'clavija (&lt;em&gt;peg&lt;/em&gt;), gancho (&lt;em&gt;hook&lt;/em&gt;), pinza (&lt;em&gt;claw&lt;/em&gt;)'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-5719933857744289072?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/5719933857744289072/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=5719933857744289072&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/5719933857744289072'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/5719933857744289072'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/04/cuencas-y-cuencos.html' title='Cuencas y cuencos'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S9lD1vpDinI/AAAAAAAAACw/mac2GFQbdCE/s72-c/Coromines.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-9213709506616490861</id><published>2010-04-15T15:08:00.032+02:00</published><updated>2011-06-22T17:35:01.089+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Eurasiatic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nostratic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Etruscan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yeniseian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Proto-Exo-African'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='crackpot'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hurrian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-Aegean'/><title type='text'>Crackpots in action</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;In historical linguistics, the term &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_%28person%29"&gt;&lt;i&gt;crackpot&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;is applied to&amp;nbsp;people (no matter whether academic or amateur)&amp;nbsp;who defend absurd theories&amp;nbsp;(and also to the theories themselves).&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Crackpots should be differentiated from &lt;i&gt;pseudo-linguists&lt;/i&gt;, people with none or little knowledge of linguistics who engage themselves in the subject with catastrophic results (e.g. Edo Nyland or Polat Kaya).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;I'm going&amp;nbsp;to list&amp;nbsp;the crackpots I've got acquainted with in my own career&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;. The first one is the French &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://macro-comparison-is-now.blogspot.com/"&gt;Arnaud Fournet&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;,&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;who has posited an "Proto-Exo-African" [sic] super-family&amp;nbsp;to replace Nostratic. Not only he considers Basque and Etruscan to be remnants of a Paleo-European substrate&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;, but he also&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;claims Yenisseian is&amp;nbsp;an IE language,&amp;nbsp;and has&amp;nbsp;"discovered" several imaginary IE substrate languages in present-day France. Recently, he has&amp;nbsp;written with the Nostraticist &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_R._Bomhard"&gt;Allan Bomhard&lt;/a&gt; a &lt;a href="http://www.nostratic.ru/books/%28432%29bomhard-hurrian.pdf"&gt;paper&lt;/a&gt; on the supposed relationship between IE and Hurrian.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;The Canadian&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://paleoglot.blogspot.com/"&gt;Glen Gordon&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;is known&amp;nbsp;for his &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.esnips.com/doc/a35125d4-a3f7-4ca8-afd5-5c213dfab9c6/DiachronyOfPreIE_2008Oct13/"&gt;Indo-Aegean hypothesis&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/i&gt;relating IE and Etruscan&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;. Being a &lt;i&gt;sui generis&lt;/i&gt; Nostraticist,&amp;nbsp;he's&amp;nbsp;a Bomhard's fan&amp;nbsp;but a harsh critic of Starostin&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;. He also likes to "nip in the bud" his rivals' theories.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;The&amp;nbsp;German&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_Vennemann"&gt;Theo Vennemann&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;is an academic scholar who&amp;nbsp;believes OEH&amp;nbsp;isn't related to IE but to Basque, constituting&amp;nbsp;a "Vasconic" substrate. He also posits an "Atlantidic" substrate&amp;nbsp;akin to Semitic in the Atlantic fringe&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;The Italian &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Alinei"&gt;Mario Alinei&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; is the champion of the so-called &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_Continuity_Theory"&gt;Paleolithic Continuity Theory&lt;/a&gt; (PCT) of IE origins, which states that IE languages&amp;nbsp;were already spoken in their respective historical homelands since the Mesolithic. The Valencian &lt;a href="http://languagecontinuity.blogspot.com/"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Jesús Sanchis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is one of his supporters.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Last but not least is &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Morvan_%28linguiste_fran%C3%A7ais%29"&gt;Michel Morvan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;,&amp;nbsp;an unortodox&amp;nbsp;French Vascologist&amp;nbsp;who posited a genetical&amp;nbsp;relationship between Basque and &lt;i&gt;Eurasiati&lt;/i&gt;c in his doctoral thesis &lt;i&gt;Les origines linguistiques du Basque &lt;/i&gt;(1996).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;____________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; I should notice that some&amp;nbsp;of them have criticized my own work, even to the point of making personal attacks and censoring me in their own blogs/lists.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; In his own words, Basque and Etruscan "never moved an inch".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;In the same line than the Spanish Indo-Europeanist Rodríguez Adrados, but&amp;nbsp;a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;more sophisticated approach.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;Even mentioning the name Starostin makes him angry.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; According to Wikipedia, he now has replaced this theory with a Punic &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstratum"&gt;superstrate&lt;/a&gt; in Germanic.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-9213709506616490861?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/9213709506616490861/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=9213709506616490861&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/9213709506616490861'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/9213709506616490861'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/04/crackpots-in-action.html' title='Crackpots in action'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-2932128603690876759</id><published>2010-04-01T12:55:00.193+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-06T23:15:53.372+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greek'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paleo-Eurasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cantabrian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>Words for 'sea'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;There's no universal word for 'sea' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;in&amp;nbsp;IE&amp;nbsp;languages. The most widespread (Celtic, Latin, Germanic, Balto-Slavic) one is &lt;b&gt;*mori-&lt;/b&gt;,&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;related&amp;nbsp;to Altaic &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=1335&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*mju:ri&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'water'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Another widespread root is&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;*seH&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;l-&lt;/b&gt; 'salt, sea'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;nbsp;Greek &lt;b&gt;halê &lt;/b&gt;'sea'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;, which I think ultimately comes from &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+309&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*q’e&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɦ&lt;/span&gt;lV (˜ -&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɫ&lt;/span&gt;-)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'bitter'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;, with an evolution PNC &lt;b&gt;*q’-&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; pre-PIE &lt;b&gt;*χ-&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; PIE &lt;b&gt;*s-&lt;/b&gt; (by Fournet's Law). This Vasco-Caucasian root is reflected in Basque &lt;b&gt;gatz &lt;/b&gt;'salt', &lt;b&gt;gazi&lt;/b&gt; 'salty'&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;+ PNC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ccauc%5Ccaucet&amp;amp;text_recno=356&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*ts’s’wenhV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'salt'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;*gas-dane&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;gazta(i), gazna&lt;/b&gt; 'cheese', both Cantabrian loanwords.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Dolgopolsky proposes&amp;nbsp;a Paleo-Eurasian root &lt;b&gt;*dalqV&lt;/b&gt; 'wave' (ND 526)&amp;nbsp;reflected in&amp;nbsp;IE &lt;b&gt;*d&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;elH-&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; Greek &lt;b&gt;thálassa&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Attic &lt;b&gt;thálatta&lt;/b&gt;) 'sea'.&amp;nbsp;In a IE substrate language (probably Italoid), this root gives Greek &lt;b&gt;sálos&lt;/b&gt; 'turbulent movement of the sea, flushing of the waves',&amp;nbsp;Latin &lt;b&gt;salum &lt;/b&gt;'open sea; sea waves'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;_____________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Without any linguistic evidence, Arnaud Fournet relates this to Kartvelian &lt;b&gt;*zo&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɣ&lt;/span&gt;w-&lt;/b&gt;. See his &lt;a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/15504227/South-West-Block-and-Z-Retaining-Block"&gt;document&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;A feminine word whose masculine counterpart&amp;nbsp;is &lt;b&gt;halós&lt;/b&gt; 'salt'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; The glottalized stop is retained&amp;nbsp;(with secondary labialization) in Kartvelian &lt;b&gt;*q’wel- &lt;/b&gt;'cheese'. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; Native outputs from this&amp;nbsp;root are&lt;b&gt; itsaso &lt;/b&gt;'sea'&lt;b&gt;, itze&lt;/b&gt; 'sea' (an archaic form quoted by Trombetti) + &lt;b&gt;urde&lt;/b&gt; 'pig' &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;izurde, gizaurde&lt;/b&gt; 'dolphin' (lit. 'sea-pig').&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; Which again Fournet unjustifiedly relates&amp;nbsp;to IE &lt;b&gt;*seH&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;l-&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-2932128603690876759?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/2932128603690876759/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=2932128603690876759&amp;isPopup=true' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2932128603690876759'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2932128603690876759'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/04/salt-sea-and-cheese.html' title='Words for &apos;sea&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-1798083714721917358</id><published>2010-03-29T16:08:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2010-04-08T14:46:29.466+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Uralic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>Vasco-Caucasian loanwords in Proto-Uralic</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;There's a number of Proto-Uralic words with Vasco-Caucasian parallels:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*δ'yxmi&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;'birdcherry' ~ PNC &lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=\data\cauc\caucet&amp;amp;text_recno=1281&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*d&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ʒɦ&lt;/span&gt;umV&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;'bush, grass; a k. of fruit'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*joke&amp;nbsp;/ *juka &lt;/strong&gt;'river'&amp;nbsp; ~ PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=\data\cauc\caucet&amp;amp;text_recno=1674&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*jimχχwA&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;'river'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*lamte &lt;/strong&gt;'low, lowland' ~ PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=\data\cauc\caucet&amp;amp;text_recno=514&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;*lhemd&lt;/span&gt;ɮɮ&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;w&lt;/span&gt;ɨ&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;'earth'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*pe(n)t&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ʃ&lt;/span&gt;a &lt;/strong&gt;'pine, conifer' ~ PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=\data\cauc\caucet&amp;amp;text_recno=858&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*pintsʼsʼwA&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;'resin, juice'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;I think&amp;nbsp;these loanwords reflect the contact between&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Vasco-Caucasian-speaking farmers and Proto-Uralic-speaking hunter-gatherers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-1798083714721917358?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/1798083714721917358/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=1798083714721917358&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/1798083714721917358'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/1798083714721917358'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/03/vasco-caucasian-loanwords-in-uralic.html' title='Vasco-Caucasian loanwords in Proto-Uralic'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-6653868728727982971</id><published>2010-03-05T13:57:01.299+01:00</published><updated>2010-05-11T12:31:21.703+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='substrate language'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paleo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Old European hydronymy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='denasalization'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paleo-Eurasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Altaic'/><title type='text'>Paleo-Eurasian and the Paleo-European substrate</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;I've turned my attention to&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;some&amp;nbsp;regional words found in&amp;nbsp;languages of NW Europe (specially Celtic) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;related to fauna, flora and the physical environment&amp;nbsp;which&amp;nbsp;I&amp;nbsp;consider them to be remnants of a &lt;em&gt;Paleo-European&lt;/em&gt; substrate spoken in Mesolithic Europe and whose sound correspondences within Paleo-Eurasian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;are different from those of native IE (in fact, its closest relative seems to be Altaic).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;For example, Paleo-Eurasian initial &lt;strong&gt;*n-&lt;/strong&gt; or &lt;strong&gt;*ń- &lt;/strong&gt;can be either labialized into&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;m- &lt;/strong&gt;before&lt;strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;back vowels &lt;strong&gt;o, u&lt;/strong&gt; (and sometimes&amp;nbsp;before &lt;strong&gt;a &lt;/strong&gt;as well), as in&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*marko- &lt;/strong&gt;'horse'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;(a regional word found in Celtic and Germanic) ~&amp;nbsp;Altaic &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=\data\alt\altet&amp;amp;text_recno=1409&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*ńargu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'young male deer/elk'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;, or denasalized into&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;d- &lt;/strong&gt;elsewhere:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Latin &lt;strong&gt;dām[m]a&lt;/strong&gt; 'fallow deer'&amp;nbsp;~ Altaic &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=1398&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*ńàme&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'goat, deer'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;From Paleo-Eurasian &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/nostr/nostret&amp;amp;text_number=++61&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ʕ&lt;/span&gt;Ek’u&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'water' we've got Paleo-European&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;*ak&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;w&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;ā &lt;/strong&gt;'water'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;, found in the Old European Hydronymy (OEH), Latin and Germanic and&amp;nbsp;whose native IE counterpart is &lt;strong&gt;*H&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;ē&lt;/span&gt;g&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;wh&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;-&lt;/strong&gt; 'to drink'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Paleo-Eurasian &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/nostr/nostret&amp;amp;text_number=1334&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɣ&lt;/span&gt;oŋ&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɣ&lt;/span&gt;V&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'peg, nail' gives Paleo-European &lt;strong&gt;*ko(n)g-&lt;/strong&gt; 'peg, hook, claw' (German &lt;strong&gt;Haken&lt;/strong&gt;, English &lt;strong&gt;hook&lt;/strong&gt;, Russian &lt;strong&gt;кóготь&lt;/strong&gt; 'claw') and native IE &lt;strong&gt;*H&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;3&lt;/span&gt;n(o)g&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;/strong&gt; 'nail' (Latin &lt;strong&gt;unguis&lt;/strong&gt;, Greek&lt;strong&gt; ónyx&lt;/strong&gt; 'nail').&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Apart from its intrinsic value, this research has deep implications for the correspondences of the actual native IE lexicon within Paleo-Eurasian.&amp;nbsp;It also &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;would imply an earlier &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;chronology than the one commonly proposed&amp;nbsp;by Nostraticists -&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;usually&amp;nbsp;the Late &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene"&gt;Pleistocene&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;(roughly 15,000-12,000 BC)-, as&amp;nbsp;according to genetics, European Mesolithic was a "domestic" event with no external migrations during that period.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;____________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Gamkrelidze, T. &amp;amp; Ivanov, V. (1995): &lt;em&gt;Indo-European and the Indo-Europeans&lt;/em&gt;, regard this as a Bronze Age Wanderwort from Altaic &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/alt/altet&amp;amp;text_number=1348&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*mórV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'horse' relative to horse riding.&amp;nbsp;This could be the case of&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Celtic &lt;strong&gt;*mandu-&lt;/strong&gt; 'young of an animal, kid' (Basque &lt;strong&gt;mando &lt;/strong&gt;'mule', Latin &lt;strong&gt;mannus&lt;/strong&gt; 'poney'), &lt;strong&gt;*mendjo-&lt;/strong&gt; 'horse' (Romanian &lt;strong&gt;mînz&lt;/strong&gt; 'horse', Albanian &lt;strong&gt;mëz &lt;/strong&gt;'foal') ~&amp;nbsp;Altaic &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=\data\alt\altet&amp;amp;text_recno=1253&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*mando&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'a k. of elk', p&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;ossibly related to PNC &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+871&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*bHa&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɮɮ&lt;/span&gt;i (˜ -&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ǝ&lt;/span&gt;-)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'young one, young (of animals)', with an &lt;strong&gt;-n-&lt;/strong&gt; infix and nasalization of the initial consonant&amp;nbsp;(cfr. Turkic &lt;strong&gt;*buto &lt;/strong&gt;'young of camel').&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;This word has been linked to Celtic &lt;strong&gt;*jorko-&lt;/strong&gt; 'roebuck' and Greek &lt;strong&gt;zdorks, dorkás&lt;/strong&gt; 'gazelle, roe deer', but I think this is a loanword from PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1155&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*ʁHwo:r[tʃ’]o (˜ -tɕ’-, -ǝ)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'deer, game' (PNC &lt;strong&gt;*tʃ’&lt;/strong&gt; would correspond to PIE &lt;strong&gt;*k´&lt;/strong&gt;). Another loanword from this origin is Celtic &lt;strong&gt;*joini-&lt;/strong&gt; 'rushes, reed' &amp;lt; PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1338&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*ts’s’wǝ:nHe:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'reed, cane'.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; The actual root is &lt;strong&gt;*ak&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;w&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;-&lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;-ā &lt;/strong&gt;is the IE feminine suffix.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-6653868728727982971?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/6653868728727982971/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=6653868728727982971&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/6653868728727982971'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/6653868728727982971'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/03/macro-altaic-and-paleo-european.html' title='Paleo-Eurasian and the Paleo-European substrate'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-2857319070908327260</id><published>2010-03-01T12:31:00.047+01:00</published><updated>2010-05-11T15:07:09.235+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='substrate language'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Old European hydronymy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tartessian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Iberian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='substrate loanword'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='vowel system'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Italoid'/><title type='text'>Celtic and IE substrates</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;There's &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toponymy"&gt;toponomastic&lt;/a&gt; evidence of IE substrate languages&amp;nbsp;spoken in parts of Europe before the historical attested languages.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;One of them is the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_European_hydronymy"&gt;Old European hydronymy language&lt;/a&gt; (Krahe's &lt;strong&gt;Alteuropäische&lt;/strong&gt;). OEH looks like an archaic&amp;nbsp;IE language (even more than Anatolian), with predominance of the vowel /&lt;strong&gt;a&lt;/strong&gt;/ and lack of inflection. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;In this way, it would reflect&amp;nbsp;the stage called IE I or "pre-flexional" by Rodríguez&amp;nbsp;Adrados&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;I adscribe to this substrate Celtic &lt;strong&gt;*nantu-/*nanto- &lt;/strong&gt;'stream, valley',&amp;nbsp;from PIE &lt;strong&gt;*d&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;en- &lt;/strong&gt;'to run, flow' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;(cfr. Latin &lt;strong&gt;fōns, fōntis &lt;/strong&gt;'spring, source'), with assimilation of the initial dental to the following nasal in the source language (that is, PIE &lt;strong&gt;*d&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;-&lt;/strong&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;strong&gt;*d-&lt;/strong&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;strong&gt;*n-&lt;/strong&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Another IE substrate found in SW Europe is&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Italoid&lt;/strong&gt; (aka &lt;strong&gt;Sorotaptic&lt;/strong&gt;), which according to linguists Joan Coromines and Francisco Villar was somewhere between Baltic and Italic&amp;nbsp;in the IE dialectal cloud.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S4uieb7KrqI/AAAAAAAAACI/lCJbHvn33-k/s1600-h/Koch+-+Tartessian+(2).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" kt="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S4uieb7KrqI/AAAAAAAAACI/lCJbHvn33-k/s320/Koch+-+Tartessian+(2).jpg" width="223" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;In his last book, Prof.&amp;nbsp;Koch of the University of Wales postulates Tartessian (found in&amp;nbsp;inscriptions of SW Iberia dating back to the 7th century BC) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;as a Celtic language with "aberrant" features like &lt;strong&gt;uar- &amp;lt; *ufor- &lt;/strong&gt;'over, on', with /&lt;strong&gt;a&lt;/strong&gt;/ instead of the expected /&lt;strong&gt;o&lt;/strong&gt;/ (cfr. Old Irish &lt;strong&gt;for&lt;/strong&gt;). T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;his apparent contradiction could be explained if Tartessian had an Italoid substrate.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;According to Villar, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;IE had&amp;nbsp;a 4 vowel system /&lt;strong&gt;i, E, A, U&lt;/strong&gt;/ until the reduction&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;of &lt;strong&gt;*H&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;e &amp;gt; a&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;introduced a new central vowel in the system. In some languages (Celtic, Italic, and Greek), /&lt;strong&gt;a&lt;/strong&gt;/&amp;nbsp;pushed /&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;/ back into /&lt;strong&gt;o&lt;/strong&gt;/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;, while in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Italoid (and also Germanic, Balto-Slavic, Indo-Iranian)&amp;nbsp;they&amp;nbsp;merged&amp;nbsp;into a single vowel.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;There's an Italoid lead inscription (now lost) found in Amélie-les-Bains/Els Banys d'Arles&amp;nbsp;(Roussillon) which has been studied by Coromines&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;. It's a votive text dedicated to&amp;nbsp;the nymph deities called &lt;strong&gt;KANTAS NISCAS&lt;/strong&gt;. The first word&amp;nbsp;derivates from PIE &lt;strong&gt;*k&lt;sup&gt;w&lt;/sup&gt;ento-&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'holy' and the second one is the Iberian counterpart of Basque &lt;strong&gt;neska&lt;/strong&gt; 'girl' &amp;lt; &lt;strong&gt;*neś-ka&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;&amp;nbsp;PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1745&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*nusA (˜ -o-)&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;'daughter-in-law'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Latin has&amp;nbsp;loanwords from Italoid like &lt;strong&gt;vagus &lt;/strong&gt;'wanderer' &amp;lt; IE &lt;strong&gt;*weg´&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;- &lt;/strong&gt;'to carry (in a vehicle)'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;___________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; See for example his&lt;em&gt; Nuevos estudios&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&amp;nbsp;de lingüística indoeuropea &lt;/em&gt;(1988).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;em&gt;Els ploms sorotàptics d'Arles&lt;/em&gt;, in &lt;em&gt;Entre dos llenguatges&lt;/em&gt;, vol. II, p. 143-146 (1976).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Iberian &lt;strong&gt;niś&lt;/strong&gt; is found as an anthroponym formant in inscriptions and &lt;strong&gt;-ka &lt;/strong&gt;is a diminutive suffix.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-2857319070908327260?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/2857319070908327260/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=2857319070908327260&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2857319070908327260'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2857319070908327260'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/03/celtic-and-ie-substrates.html' title='Celtic and IE substrates'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S4uieb7KrqI/AAAAAAAAACI/lCJbHvn33-k/s72-c/Koch+-+Tartessian+(2).jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-8362013573217024352</id><published>2010-02-28T13:49:00.012+01:00</published><updated>2011-03-11T22:29:28.833+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='toponymy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Etruscan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='substrate loanword'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greek'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pelasgian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>Celtic *dūno- 'fort'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Celtic &lt;b&gt;*dūno-&lt;/b&gt; 'fort' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;is found as a toponym suffix in areas which were formerly Celtic-speaking as France and Great Britain, where it takes the form &lt;b&gt;-ton&lt;/b&gt;. It was also borrowed into&amp;nbsp;Germanic&amp;nbsp;(English &lt;b&gt;town&lt;/b&gt;, Dutch &lt;b&gt;duin &lt;/b&gt;'garden', German &lt;b&gt;Zaun &lt;/b&gt;'enclosure').&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;The&amp;nbsp;origin of this word has been disputed, and some Indo-Europeanists have suggested a possible relationship with Latin &lt;b&gt;fūnus &lt;/b&gt;'burial' (from the unattested meaning of 'burial mound')&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;,&amp;nbsp;thus reconstructing a PIE root &lt;b&gt;*d&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;uHno-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;. But IMHO this etymology fits better to Germanic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/germet&amp;amp;text_number=++1284&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*dūnō&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'hill, dune' (English &lt;b&gt;down&lt;/b&gt;, Dutch &lt;b&gt;duine&lt;/b&gt;, borrowed into English &lt;b&gt;dune&lt;/b&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; I regard this word as a Paleo-European root &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*d&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;aunV ~ *d&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ūnV &lt;/b&gt;'hill, mound' also reflected in Etruscan &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;θ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;aur(a) &lt;/b&gt;'tomb', with &lt;b&gt;n&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;r&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;A connection with PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+636&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*dompe&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'edge, bank', which is the source of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Greek &lt;b&gt;táphos&lt;/b&gt; (native)&amp;nbsp; and &lt;b&gt;túmbos &lt;/b&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;a Pelasgian loanword) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'tomb'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;, is possible, although phonetical developments are not clear.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;From my own experience&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;, I know the meaning 'enclosure' is related to 'thick, dense, packed', so&amp;nbsp;I&amp;nbsp;link the Celtic word&amp;nbsp;to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Semitic &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/semet&amp;amp;text_number=1121&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*duhn-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;'fat'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;____________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; See for example Mallory &amp;amp; Adams (2006): &lt;i&gt;The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World&lt;/i&gt;, p. 223.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; For example, Spanish &lt;b&gt;cerrar &lt;/b&gt;'to close', Catalan &lt;b&gt;serrar&lt;/b&gt;, French &lt;b&gt;serrer &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;'to tighten', Basque (Biscayan) &lt;b&gt;zarri &lt;/b&gt;'dense', &lt;b&gt;zarra-tu &lt;/b&gt;'dense; to close', ultimately from PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1801&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*=ut&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɕ&lt;/span&gt;E(rV)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'thick, fat'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-8362013573217024352?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/8362013573217024352/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=8362013573217024352&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/8362013573217024352'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/8362013573217024352'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2010/02/celtic-duno-fort.html' title='Celtic *dūno- &apos;fort&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-4316088700790151164</id><published>2009-12-31T14:43:00.049+01:00</published><updated>2011-03-07T20:04:20.527+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Afro-Asiatic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='substrate loanword'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Balto-Slavic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>The lentil</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;The native Basque word for&amp;nbsp;'&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lentil"&gt;lentil (&lt;i&gt;Lens culinaris&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/a&gt;' can be reconstructed as &lt;b&gt;*tink-il:(a), *sink-il:(a)&lt;/b&gt;, most of whose variants are restricted to the dialect spoken in the Navarrese valley of Salazar&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;: &lt;b&gt;tindil, txindil, txingla, xingala&lt;/b&gt;. The form &lt;b&gt;txintxil(a)&lt;/b&gt; spread also to the neighbouring Roncalese dialect, and further along in the Aragonese valley of Ansó we find &lt;b&gt;tentilla&lt;/b&gt;, an interference with the genuine Romance form &lt;b&gt;lentilla&lt;/b&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;This word (also found in other Romance languages like Spanish &lt;b&gt;lenteja&lt;/b&gt;, French &lt;b&gt;lentille&lt;/b&gt;) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;is derived from Latin &lt;b&gt;lenticula,&lt;/b&gt; a diminutive form of Latin &lt;b&gt;lēns, lentis&lt;/b&gt; 'lentil',&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;with&amp;nbsp;cognates in Germanic (Old High German &lt;b&gt;linsī, linsin&lt;/b&gt;), Slavic &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/vasmer&amp;amp;text_number=++7629&amp;amp;root=config" target="_self"&gt;&lt;span class="unicode"&gt;*lę̄tjā&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt; and Baltic (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Lithuanian &lt;b&gt;l&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ę̃&lt;/span&gt;ši-s (-iō)&lt;/b&gt;).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;This could be related to Semitic &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/semet&amp;amp;text_number=+735&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʕ&lt;/span&gt;a-daʃ-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'lentil' with a shift &lt;b&gt;d-&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;l-&lt;/b&gt; and a nasal infix.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;The Basque forms&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;tilista, txilista, dilista&lt;/b&gt; (Westernmost dialects)&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; are a diminutive&amp;nbsp; form &lt;b&gt;*ti-lis-ta&lt;/b&gt; with a fossilized Berber&amp;nbsp;article (feminine plural) &lt;b&gt;ti-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;agglutinated. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;I think this is&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;a&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;substrate loanword whose ultimate origin is Afro-Asiatic &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/semham/afaset&amp;amp;text_number=2428&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*da/ingw-&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'a k. of beans; corn', a root widely attested in several branches.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;_____________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;In other dialects this word can refer to different plants, mostly of the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicia"&gt;vetch (&lt;i&gt;Vicia&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/a&gt; family.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;2 The Gipuzkoan form &lt;b&gt;dilista &lt;/b&gt;was chosen&amp;nbsp;for&amp;nbsp;representing the word in&amp;nbsp;the standardized language or &lt;i&gt;Euskera Batua&lt;/i&gt; (lit. 'United Basque language').&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Also found in Sardinian.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-4316088700790151164?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/4316088700790151164/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=4316088700790151164&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4316088700790151164'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4316088700790151164'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2009/12/lentil.html' title='The lentil'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-50297724892041050</id><published>2009-12-29T13:26:00.017+01:00</published><updated>2009-12-29T14:41:26.468+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homonymy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Noah word'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paleo-Eurasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Spanish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cantabrian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tyrrhenian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sardinian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>The fox</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;There're two different words for 'fox' in Basque. The first one (restricted to Biscayan) is &lt;strong&gt;luki&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;,&amp;nbsp;from&amp;nbsp;the Paleo-Eurasian root&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/nostr/nostret&amp;amp;text_number=+364&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*lok’V (˜ *nok’V)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'fox, lynx',&amp;nbsp;represented in Uralic &lt;strong&gt;*ńukV&lt;/strong&gt; 'fox', Dravidian &lt;strong&gt;*nakkV&lt;/strong&gt; 'fox, jackal', IE &lt;strong&gt;*lu&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;k&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;́&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;/strong&gt; 'lynx', Altaic &lt;strong&gt;*l[ù]k`V&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;̀&lt;/span&gt; (˜ -k-)&lt;/strong&gt; 'lynx, wild cat'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;The second one is &lt;strong&gt;azeri, axeri&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;strong&gt;azari, axari &lt;/strong&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;strong&gt; *a-seali&lt;/strong&gt;, with the Biscayan&amp;nbsp;variants &lt;strong&gt;azegari, azagari &lt;/strong&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;strong&gt; *a-sekali&lt;/strong&gt;. I think this is a Cantabrian word related to PNC &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1149&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*tsEhwo:le (˜ -a)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 'fox, jackal'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;, a Wanderwort found in&amp;nbsp;Kartvelian &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/kart/kartet&amp;amp;text_number=1264&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*d&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ʑ&lt;/span&gt;a&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɣ&lt;/span&gt;l&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, Dravidian &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/drav/dravet&amp;amp;text_number=1934&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*d&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ʒ&lt;/span&gt;a:[v]il&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'dog' and ultimately coming from Paleo-Eurasian &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/nostr/nostret&amp;amp;text_number=1660&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*[t&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ʃ&lt;/span&gt;w]Vl&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɣ&lt;/span&gt;V&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'fox, weasel'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; (with metathesis).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;This word&amp;nbsp;constitutes an interesting&amp;nbsp;example of homonymy.&amp;nbsp;The Latin anthroponym &lt;strong&gt;Asenarius &lt;/strong&gt;(which is the origin of the surname &lt;strong&gt;Aznar&lt;/strong&gt;) is reflected as &lt;strong&gt;Acenari, Aceari &lt;/strong&gt;in Navarrese documents (of course written in Latin) from the Middle Ages, with regular loss of intervocalic &lt;strong&gt;-n-&lt;/strong&gt;. As the last one matches the expected&amp;nbsp;old form &lt;strong&gt;*azeari &lt;/strong&gt;'fox', it&amp;nbsp;lead&amp;nbsp;Vascologists to believe this was the actual etymology.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Other reflexes of this Vasco-Caucasian root can be found in Sardinian &lt;strong&gt;gjágaru, jágaru&lt;/strong&gt; 'a k. of shepherd dog' as well as Balkanic &lt;strong&gt;zagar&lt;/strong&gt; and Greek &lt;strong&gt;zágaros, zágari&lt;/strong&gt; 'a k. of bloodhound'&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Spanish &lt;strong&gt;zorro&lt;/strong&gt; 'fox'&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; (whose etymology has also been controversial)&amp;nbsp;is&amp;nbsp;a Noah word (euphemism) 'furry' akin to Basque &lt;strong&gt;txorru &lt;/strong&gt;'lock of hair', a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Tyrrhenian&amp;nbsp;word related to PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=\data\cauc\caucet&amp;amp;text_recno=50&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*t&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɕ&lt;/span&gt;’ħw&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ǝ&lt;/span&gt;:r&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ǝ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'hair; switch, long branch'&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;From this origin also come&amp;nbsp;Basque&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;zurda, txurda&lt;/strong&gt; 'mane',&amp;nbsp;Spanish &lt;strong&gt;churra&lt;/strong&gt; 'a k. of sheep with coarse wool' and Sardinian &lt;strong&gt;tsurra&lt;/strong&gt; 'sheep'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;_____________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; The etymology defended&amp;nbsp;by Vascologists from the Latin anthroponym &lt;strong&gt;Lucius&lt;/strong&gt; is untenable.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;2 This etymology was first proposed by Bengtson.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;Possibly from&amp;nbsp;this derives PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1162&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*tsa:rggw&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɨ&lt;/span&gt;: (˜ -&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ǝ&lt;/span&gt;:, -a:)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'weasel, marten', which Bengtson links to Basque &lt;strong&gt;sagu &lt;/strong&gt;'mouse'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; As we've already seen in the case of Spanish &lt;strong&gt;perro &lt;/strong&gt;and Berber &lt;strong&gt;a-bajrru&lt;/strong&gt;, the meanings 'dog' and 'fox' are readily interchangeable.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; As in the case of &lt;strong&gt;perra&lt;/strong&gt; 'bitch', the feminine&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;zorra &lt;/strong&gt;has the negative connotation of 'whore'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt; This etymology was first proposed by Bengtson, but I've extended it to other words.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-50297724892041050?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/50297724892041050/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=50297724892041050&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/50297724892041050'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/50297724892041050'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2009/12/fox.html' title='The fox'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-4485450794719567779</id><published>2009-12-26T16:21:00.007+01:00</published><updated>2009-12-27T20:27:48.282+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Albanian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Aquitanian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kartvelian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paleo-Eurasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sardinian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>More about pigs</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;The native PIE word for 'pig', as opposed to &lt;strong&gt;*pork&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;́&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;o-&lt;/strong&gt;, which is a Vasco-Caucasian loanword (see my&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2009/11/class-prefixes-in-ie.html"&gt;post&lt;/a&gt;), is &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/piet&amp;amp;text_number=+970&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*sū-&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. This word was borrowed into&amp;nbsp;Basque&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;ti&lt;/strong&gt;, an isolated&amp;nbsp;Roncalese form similar to Albanian &lt;strong&gt;thi&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;From this root and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Kartvelian &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/kart/kartet&amp;amp;text_number=+362&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*e&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ʃ&lt;/span&gt;w-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;'boar, pig', Starostin&amp;nbsp;reconstructs&amp;nbsp;Paleo-Eurasian&amp;nbsp; &lt;strong&gt;*&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ʔ&lt;/span&gt;V&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ʃ&lt;/span&gt;u&lt;/strong&gt; 'pig', found&amp;nbsp;as second member&amp;nbsp;of a Basque compound &lt;strong&gt;*ena-uśi&lt;/strong&gt; (whose&amp;nbsp;first part doesn't concern us here): &lt;strong&gt;herauts &lt;/strong&gt;'male boar', &lt;strong&gt;herause, heusi, iñaus, iraus(i), irusi, i(h)ausi&lt;/strong&gt; 'heat of sow'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;This Basque&amp;nbsp;word has been the object of&amp;nbsp;a&amp;nbsp;confusion regarding&amp;nbsp;the Aquitanian theonym HERAVSCORRITSEHE. Although the German linguist &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Schuchardt"&gt;Hugo Schuchardt&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;correctly proposed its&amp;nbsp;first element&amp;nbsp;to be related to Basque &lt;strong&gt;errauts, erhauts&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;'cinder, dust' (a compound from &lt;strong&gt;erre &lt;/strong&gt;'burnt' and &lt;strong&gt;hauts &lt;/strong&gt;'dust'), he changed his mind afterwards and linked it to &lt;strong&gt;herauts&lt;/strong&gt;, being unaware of the variants which point to a nasal in Proto-Basque. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;This mistake, resulting from a poor understanding of the ortographic conventions of the Aquitanian inscriptions (in Latin), which employed &lt;strong&gt;-R-&lt;/strong&gt; to represent the thrill rhotic (Basque &amp;lt;&lt;strong&gt;rr&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;gt;)&amp;nbsp;instead of&amp;nbsp;the flap one (Basque &amp;lt;&lt;strong&gt;r&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;gt;), as well as laziness for reconstructing the protoform of the Basque word, has been copied down by Vascologists to this day&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Sardinian &lt;strong&gt;irrussu &lt;/strong&gt;'little boar' is&amp;nbsp;a compound from the above root and a first member related to PNC &lt;strong&gt;*&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1154&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;wH&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɨ&lt;/span&gt;rχχV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'mountain goat' or its derived form IE &lt;strong&gt;*H&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: xx-small;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;epero- &lt;/strong&gt;'boar' &amp;lt; &lt;strong&gt;*?i-wHɨrχχV&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;(see this &lt;a href="http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2009/11/class-prefixes-in-ie.html"&gt;post&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Probably related&amp;nbsp;is&amp;nbsp;Berber &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=\data\semham\brbet&amp;amp;text_recno=87&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*kus-&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;'pig', borrowed into Asturian &lt;strong&gt;gocho&lt;/strong&gt;, Basque (Zuberoan) &lt;strong&gt;kutxu&lt;/strong&gt;, Catalan &lt;strong&gt;cotx&lt;/strong&gt;, Aragonese &lt;strong&gt;cochín&lt;/strong&gt;, Spanish &lt;strong&gt;cochino&lt;/strong&gt;, French &lt;strong&gt;cochon&lt;/strong&gt; 'pig'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;______________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Gorrochategui: &lt;em&gt;Estudio sobre la onomástica indígena de Aquitania &lt;/em&gt;(1984), pp. 330-331.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-4485450794719567779?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/4485450794719567779/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=4485450794719567779&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4485450794719567779'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4485450794719567779'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2009/12/more-about-pigs.html' title='More about pigs'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-2500254779818223881</id><published>2009-12-22T17:55:00.018+01:00</published><updated>2009-12-23T10:51:07.357+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gothic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sanskrit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vasco-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greek'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Italoid'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cantabrian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tyrrhenian'/><title type='text'>Hair and wool</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Basque &lt;strong&gt;bil(h)o &lt;/strong&gt;'hair, mane' is an interesting&amp;nbsp;word. In compound with the verb &lt;strong&gt;utzi, itzi&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;'to leave' it gives &lt;strong&gt;biluz &lt;/strong&gt;'naked', &lt;strong&gt;biluzi &lt;/strong&gt;'to get naked' (with many variants: &lt;strong&gt;biloiz, bilaiz(i), bileiz(i), biluxi, buluzi, buluxi&lt;/strong&gt;). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;The etymology of this word has puzzled more than one&amp;nbsp;Vascologist, specially given its similarity to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Latin &lt;strong&gt;pilus&lt;/strong&gt; '(a single) hair'. But&amp;nbsp;a borrowing can be&amp;nbsp;safely discarded due to phonetical reasons, because&amp;nbsp;Latin &lt;strong&gt;-l- &lt;/strong&gt;would have given &lt;strong&gt;-r- &lt;/strong&gt;in Basque. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;An alternative source from&amp;nbsp;Latin &lt;strong&gt;villus &lt;/strong&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;tuft, lock of hair; hair' (probably&amp;nbsp;an&amp;nbsp;Italoid loanword parallel to Baltic&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;*wil-na&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;'wool') &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;was then proposed, but I find this unrealistic. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;My own view is that Basque &lt;strong&gt;bil(h)o &lt;/strong&gt;and Latin &lt;strong&gt;pilus &lt;/strong&gt;are one and the same &lt;em&gt;Cantabrian &lt;/em&gt;word, ultimately related&amp;nbsp;t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;o PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+430&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*p’VħVɫV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'feather; mane' (an etymology proposed &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;by Bengtson). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Other 'hair' words found in IE languages come from this Vasco-Caucasian root. In particular, Greek &lt;strong&gt;púligges &lt;/strong&gt;[pl.] 'hairs of the body' and Sanskrit &lt;strong&gt;pulakās &lt;/strong&gt;[pl.] 'bristling hairs of the body' are similar to Nakh &lt;strong&gt;*pēla-k’&lt;/strong&gt; 'feather'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;The Tyrrhenian counterpart of &lt;strong&gt;bil(h)o&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;is Basque &lt;strong&gt;ule&lt;/strong&gt; 'hair', &lt;strong&gt;ile&lt;/strong&gt; 'hair, wool', with several doublets in compounds. The meaning 'wool' suggested to some authors a possible borrowing from Gothic &lt;strong&gt;wulla &lt;/strong&gt;&amp;lt; Proto-Germanic &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/ie/germet&amp;amp;text_number=+++824&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*wullō(n)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, but this rather makes me think PIE &lt;strong&gt;*w&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;̥&lt;/span&gt;lH&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;neH&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;/strong&gt; 'wool' could be in fact a very old&amp;nbsp;Vasco-Caucasian loanword: &lt;strong&gt;*p’VħVɫV&lt;/strong&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;strong&gt;*bVlħV&lt;/strong&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;strong&gt;*wVlħ-&lt;/strong&gt;, with merging of &lt;strong&gt;b/w &lt;/strong&gt;in PIE (where the voiced labial stop is very rare).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-2500254779818223881?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/2500254779818223881/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=2500254779818223881&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2500254779818223881'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2500254779818223881'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2009/12/hair-and-wool.html' title='Hair and wool'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-4524818973001288285</id><published>2009-11-22T20:05:00.120+01:00</published><updated>2010-07-04T17:59:33.323+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='substrate language'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Celtic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Italoid'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='North-Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cantabrian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Spanish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Romance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='toponymy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wanderwort'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='substrate loanword'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='French'/><title type='text'>The house</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Latin &lt;strong&gt;casa &lt;/strong&gt;'hut, cottage' ('house' in several Romance languages) is a loanword from the IE substrate language called &lt;em&gt;Italoid&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; by the Spanish Indo-Europeanist Francisco Villar. In this language, intervocalic -&lt;strong&gt;δ&lt;/strong&gt;- &amp;gt; -&lt;strong&gt;z&lt;/strong&gt;- (Latin &amp;lt;&lt;strong&gt;s&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;gt;) as&amp;nbsp;seen in Celtiberian (which presumably had an Italoid substrate&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;The&amp;nbsp;suffixed form &lt;strong&gt;cas-trum&lt;/strong&gt; 'fortification' corresponds to Old English &lt;strong&gt;heaδor &lt;/strong&gt;'enclosure, prison' and Celtic &lt;strong&gt;*katrik &lt;/strong&gt;(Old Irish &lt;strong&gt;cathir &lt;/strong&gt;'town', Welsh &lt;strong&gt;cader &lt;/strong&gt;'wall, fence, fortication')&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;This corresponds to PIE &lt;strong&gt;*ket-&lt;/strong&gt; 'room', a root also found in English &lt;strong&gt;hut &lt;/strong&gt;and Uralic &lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=\data\uralic\uralet&amp;amp;text_recno=373&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*kota&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;'hut, house'. This is probably a Wanderwort related to PNC&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1671&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*GGwa:t’V&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'street, block, village'.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Basque &lt;strong&gt;etxe &lt;/strong&gt;(archaic&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;etse&lt;/strong&gt;) 'house' is presumably related to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;PNC&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=\data\cauc\caucet&amp;amp;text_recno=1413&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*t&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɬ&lt;/span&gt;’&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɬ&lt;/span&gt;’Vt&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɕ&lt;/span&gt;V&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; ‘log; pole (for planking ceilings)’,&amp;nbsp;which is also the origin of&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;laz &lt;/strong&gt;(Z) 'beam, rafter' (Bengtson).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Basque&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;ol(h)a &lt;/strong&gt;'hut; dwelling' (also found&amp;nbsp;as a toponym suffix) is&amp;nbsp;related to PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+901&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*bultt&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ɬ&lt;/span&gt;’V (˜ -ɨ-)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'house'&lt;sup&gt;4 &lt;/sup&gt;and&amp;nbsp;appears in the compound &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;etxol(a), etxa(b)ola, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;txabola &lt;/strong&gt;'hut, cabin'&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;, whose first member is &lt;strong&gt;etxe&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;French &lt;strong&gt;chalet&lt;/strong&gt; 'cottage; mountain house', a term originated in the Swiss Alps, is a diminutive of&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*kala&lt;/strong&gt; 'shelter', related to&amp;nbsp;PNC &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1179&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*q&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ǝ&lt;/span&gt;lV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; 'house, hut'. This word appears in ancient toponyms like &lt;strong&gt;Cala-gurris &lt;/strong&gt;(modern &lt;em&gt;Calahorra&lt;/em&gt;) 'red house'&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt; (cfr. Basque &lt;strong&gt;gorri&lt;/strong&gt; 'red') and &lt;strong&gt;Burdi-gala &lt;/strong&gt;(modern &lt;em&gt;Bordeaux&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;'blue house' (cfr. Basque &lt;strong&gt;urdin&lt;/strong&gt; 'blue').&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;___________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Also known as &lt;em&gt;Sorotaptic&lt;/em&gt;&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;by Joan Coromines. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;See Villar: &lt;em&gt;Estudios de celtibérico y toponimia prerromana&lt;/em&gt; (1995)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Itself a substrate loanword.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;The loss of initial &lt;strong&gt;*b-&lt;/strong&gt; before /&lt;strong&gt;o&lt;/strong&gt;/ is regular in Basque.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;Borrowed into Spanish &lt;strong&gt;chabola&lt;/strong&gt;. Incomprehensibly, Trask considers &lt;strong&gt;etxa(b)ola&lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;txabola &lt;/strong&gt;to be unrelated and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;derives the latter&amp;nbsp;from Old Spanish &lt;strong&gt;javola&lt;/strong&gt; (modern &lt;strong&gt;jaula&lt;/strong&gt;) 'cage, pen, cell'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;Dauzat: &lt;em&gt;Dictionnaire étymologique de la langue française&lt;/em&gt; (1938).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-4524818973001288285?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/4524818973001288285/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=4524818973001288285&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4524818973001288285'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4524818973001288285'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2009/11/house.html' title='The house'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-4792509929621719486</id><published>2009-11-21T00:31:00.017+01:00</published><updated>2011-10-15T10:02:51.277+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Uralic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paleo-Eurasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='LBK'/><title type='text'>Two roots for 'earth'</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;According to Bengtson, Basque &lt;b&gt;lur, lu-&lt;/b&gt; 'earth' is related to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+514&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*lhemd&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+514&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+514&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɮ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=+514&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɮ&lt;/span&gt;w&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɨ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'earth'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;.&amp;nbsp; This rooy is also found as a loanword in substratal IE &lt;b&gt;*lendh&lt;sup&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;-&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;'open land, waste' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;(Celtic, Germanic, Balto-Slavic) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;and Uralic &lt;b&gt;*lamti&lt;/b&gt; (&lt;b&gt;*lamtз&lt;/b&gt;) 'lowland, meadow'. I supose this term was introduced by&amp;nbsp;Neolithic farmers of the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Pottery_culture"&gt;Linear Ceramics&lt;/a&gt; (LBK) culture. From Gaulish &lt;b&gt;*landā &lt;/b&gt;'open land' come the toponym &lt;b&gt;Landes &lt;/b&gt;and Basque &lt;b&gt;landa &lt;/b&gt;'field, lot'2.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif; font-size: small;"&gt;There's also a widespread &lt;i&gt;Paleo-Eurasian &lt;/i&gt;root &lt;b&gt;*dVQV &lt;/b&gt;'dirt, clay' whose Basque reflexes are&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;lohi, lot- &lt;/b&gt;'dirty, mud'&lt;sup&gt; &lt;/sup&gt;and &lt;b&gt;zohi, zot- &lt;/b&gt;'clod of earth; brick', the first &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;with the standard treatment of the initial dental stop&lt;sup&gt; &lt;/sup&gt;and the second&amp;nbsp;with assibilation.&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;This root was borrowed into PIE &lt;b&gt;*dhigh-&lt;/b&gt; 'wall, fortification' (Sanskrit &lt;b&gt;sa-dih-&lt;/b&gt; 'mound, heap, wall', Avestan &lt;b&gt;para-daēza&lt;/b&gt; 'enclosure'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;, Greek &lt;b&gt;teîkhos ~ toîkhos&lt;/b&gt; 'wall'), which in NW languages refers to clay-like substances&amp;nbsp;(e.g. English&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;dough&lt;/b&gt;). But the native PIE reflex is&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;*dh&lt;sup&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;egh&lt;sup&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;óm&lt;/b&gt; 'earth'. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;_________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Dialectally also 'uncultivated land, desert'.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;There is also the old collective Biscayan form &lt;b&gt;landar &lt;/b&gt;'desert'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Borrowed into Greek &lt;b&gt;parédeisos&lt;/b&gt;, hence English &lt;b&gt;paradise&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-4792509929621719486?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/4792509929621719486/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=4792509929621719486&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4792509929621719486'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4792509929621719486'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2009/11/two-roots-for-earth.html' title='Two roots for &apos;earth&apos;'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-4526545992795091042</id><published>2009-11-16T13:48:00.045+01:00</published><updated>2010-11-06T14:53:36.311+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Eurasiatic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='shift meaning'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Iberian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lamino-alveolar'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Old Indian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apico-alveolar'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Basque'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>Sea meadows</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Although considered by Vascologists to be a borrowing from Latin &lt;b&gt;sŏlum&lt;/b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;, Basque &lt;b&gt;sor(h)o&lt;/b&gt; 'cultivated field; meadow'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;is actually an Iberian loanword related to PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=2142&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*d&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=2142&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;ʒ&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=2142&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;ʒǝ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;lV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'plain, plateau'&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; whose native counterpart is the archaic Lapurdian &lt;b&gt;zar(h)o&lt;/b&gt; 'meadow'. This means PNC &lt;b&gt;*dd&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ʒ&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/b&gt;corresponds to an apico-alveolar sibilant /&lt;b&gt;ś&lt;/b&gt;/ (Basque &amp;lt;&lt;b&gt;s&lt;/b&gt;&amp;gt;) in Iberian but a lamino-alveolar /&lt;b&gt;s&lt;/b&gt;/ (Basque &amp;lt;&lt;b&gt;z&lt;/b&gt;&amp;gt;) in Vasconic.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;This root is related to Eurasiatic &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/nostr/nostret&amp;amp;text_number=+252&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*TSolV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'steppe, valley, meadow', reflected in Slavic &lt;b&gt;*selo&lt;/b&gt; 'arable field' but which in other &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;IE languages underwent a &lt;i&gt;shift meaning&lt;/i&gt; to 'sea, lake'&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;: Greek &lt;b&gt;hélos &lt;/b&gt;'wet meadow, marsh', Old Indian &lt;b&gt;sáras- &lt;/b&gt;'lake, pond, pool'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;____________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Borrowed into Basque &lt;b&gt;zoru&lt;/b&gt; 'ground, floor'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; With the Biscayan variant &lt;b&gt;solo&lt;/b&gt; (B) 'field (prepared for sowing)'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;Bengtson proposed a different etymology&amp;nbsp;from PNC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=++31&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=++31&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*tʃʃHæɫu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt; 'earth, ground, sand',&amp;nbsp;which semantically doesn't fit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; For people grown up inland, large water extensions look like meadows.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-4526545992795091042?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/4526545992795091042/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=4526545992795091042&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4526545992795091042'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/4526545992795091042'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2009/11/sea-meadows.html' title='Sea meadows'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-2134757508961959516</id><published>2009-11-13T15:09:00.038+01:00</published><updated>2009-11-23T19:09:21.639+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Etruscan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bilingual inscription'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greek'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Aegean'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Eteocypriot'/><title type='text'>The Amathus bilingual</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;The other day I came across Cyrus Gordon's &lt;em&gt;Evidence for the Minoan language&lt;/em&gt; (1966). The first chapter deals with the Greek-&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eteocypriot"&gt;Eteocypriot&lt;/a&gt; bilingual inscription from Amathus, Cyprus.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;The Greek text reads as follows:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Η ΠOΛIΣ H AMAΘOYΣIΩN APIΣTΩNA APIΣTΩNAKTOΣ EYΠATPIΔHN&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;Hē polis hē Amathousiōn Aristōna Aristōnaktos eupatridēn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Translation: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;The city of the Amathusians (has honoured) Ariston (son) of Aristonax, of noble birth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;The transliteration of the Eteocypriot text is like this:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A-NA MA-TO-RI U-MI-E-S[A]-I MU-KU-LA-I LA-SA-NA A-RI-SI-TO-NO-SE A-RA-TO-&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;WA-NA-KA-SO-KO-O-SE KE-RA-KE-RE-TU-LO-SE TA-KA-NA-[?-?]-SO-TI A-LO KA-I-LI-PO-TI&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Gordon reads it as Semitic, but&amp;nbsp;I think this&amp;nbsp;is an &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrsenian_languages"&gt;Aegean&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; language, because we find words like &lt;strong&gt;lasana&lt;/strong&gt;, cognate with Etruscan &lt;strong&gt;rasna &lt;/strong&gt;'Etruscan', and &lt;strong&gt;mukla-&lt;/strong&gt;, cognate with Etruscan &lt;strong&gt;mexl- &lt;/strong&gt;'people, nation'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;My reading:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ana mator-i umesa-i mukla-i lasa-na Ariston-ose Artowanaksko-ose kera-keretul-ose taka-na [?][ta]so-ti alo kail-i po-ti&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Translation:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;In the city of the&amp;nbsp;Aegean Amathusians, Ariston (son) of Aristowanaks, of precious birth,&amp;nbsp;[...] in the tomb&amp;nbsp;(was) laid into the earth with (his) father.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;Eteocypriot glossary:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;alo&lt;/strong&gt; 'to lay'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ana&lt;/strong&gt; 'the'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;(a)po- &lt;/strong&gt;'father'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;kail-&lt;/strong&gt; 'earth' ~ Etruscan &lt;strong&gt;cel-&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;kera-keretul-&lt;/strong&gt; 'precious birth'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;lasa-na&lt;/strong&gt; 'Aegean' (collective of &lt;strong&gt;lasa- &lt;/strong&gt;'man') &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;~ Etruscan &lt;strong&gt;rasna&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;mator-&lt;/strong&gt; 'city'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;mukla-&lt;/strong&gt; 'people' ~ Etruscan &lt;strong&gt;mexl-&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;taso- &lt;/strong&gt;'tomb' ~ Etruscan &lt;strong&gt;tus &lt;/strong&gt;'bed'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;-(t)i &lt;/strong&gt;'locative/ablative suffix'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;-na &lt;/strong&gt;'collective suffix'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;-ose&lt;/strong&gt; 'genitive suffix' ~ Etruscan &lt;strong&gt;-s&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;wanaksko&lt;/strong&gt; 'king' ~ Greek &lt;strong&gt;(w)ánax&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia, &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;"&gt;I&amp;nbsp;thank&amp;nbsp;my colleague Marco Moretti for having suggested me most of these meanings.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2918951136804113054-2134757508961959516?l=vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/feeds/2134757508961959516/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2918951136804113054&amp;postID=2134757508961959516&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2134757508961959516'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2918951136804113054/posts/default/2134757508961959516'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://vasco-caucasian.blogspot.com/2009/11/amathus-bilingual.html' title='The Amathus bilingual'/><author><name>Octavià Alexandre</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14569731729402710400</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='29' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YYGzwXmVT6s/S72QZ3gLdKI/AAAAAAAAACQ/imrkkFIiP-Q/S220/Tavi+2008.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2918951136804113054.post-805012320674153197</id><published>2009-11-12T14:36:00.020+01:00</published><updated>2010-10-30T19:37:02.855+02:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Indo-European'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='class prefix'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Latin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Germanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='North Caucasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greek'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paleo-Eurasian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='etymology'/><title type='text'>Class prefixes in IE</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Notice to readers: this is a rewriting of "Boars, pigs and goats", which has been deleted.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;Although according to the traditional view&amp;nbsp;class prefixes are absent from IE languages, I've discovered fossilized instances of&amp;nbsp;them&amp;nbsp;in words presumably borrowed from other families.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;IE &lt;b&gt;*pork&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;́&lt;/span&gt;o-&lt;/b&gt; 'young pig' is a Vasco-Caucasian loanword related to&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;PNC &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=%5Cdata%5Ccauc%5Ccaucet&amp;amp;text_recno=1159&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*wHa:rtt&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ɬ&lt;/span&gt;’w&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;ǝ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'boar, pig'&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,serif;"&gt;I suppose here an evolution &lt;b&gt;*wH-&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;*Hw-&lt;/b&gt; &amp;gt; &lt;b&gt;*p-&lt;/b&gt;, the last step like in &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&amp;amp;basename=/data/cauc/caucet&amp;amp;text_number=1008&amp;amp;root=config"&gt;*Hwimk’wV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; 'fist'&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;gt; IE &lt;b&gt;*penk&lt;sup&gt;w&lt;/sup&gt;e&lt;/b&gt; '5'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;qu
